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    Trump strikes blow against Iran nuclear deal in major shift in U.S. policy

    EXCERPT:
    WASHINGTON - U.S. President Donald Trump struck a blow against the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement on Friday in defiance of other world powers, choosing not to certify that Tehran is complying with the deal and warning he might ultimately terminate it.

    Trump announced the major shift in U.S. policy in a speech in which he detailed a more aggressive approach to Iran over its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and its support for extremist groups in the Middle East.

    He accused Iran of "not living up to the spirit" of the nuclear agreement and said his goal is to ensure Tehran never obtains a nuclear weapon, in effect throwing the fate of the deal to Congress.

    He singled out Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps for sanctions and delivered a blistering critique of Tehran, which he accused of destabilizing actions in Syria, Yemen and Iraq.
    ...
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...Q2s?li=BBnb7Kz

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  • #2
    The only other option is war..so...
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      The only other option is war..so...
      Could leave Obama's Deal in place, allowing Iran to become better armed (maybe with nukes, longer range missles) and continually supportive of various conflicts in the region ...

      Or could be more active supporting secular movements like the one Obama let get crushed;
      Did USA "blow - it" by not backing the "green revolution" in Iran?

      And even if military options are called for, doesn't mean "war" such as large scale troop deployment, invasion. Selective air/missle strikes are one avenue. Increased economic sanctions and/or blockade could be another.

      History, and military history especially, show that it is seldom there is an one and "only option".
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      • #4
        How have sanctions worked for North Korea?
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
          How have sanctions worked for North Korea?
          Ever consider that North Korea may be getting aid from those whom don't support/engage in the sanctions ... Iran, China, etc.
          Last edited by G David Bock; 13 Oct 17, 19:40. Reason: spellin', etc.
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          • #6
            Another MSN.com take ...
            The White House backstory: President Trump's decision on Iran

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...kDq?li=BBnb7Kz


            And headlines at Drudge;
            In a sudden flurry, Trump looks to deliver for his voters...

            DEcertifies Iran Nuclear Deal...

            Throws Fate to Congress...


            PELOSI: Policies Are Violent to America and World...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              Ever consider that North Korea may be getting aid from those whom don't support/engage in the sanctions ... Iran, China, etc.
              And Iran will be different why?
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #8
                Saudi Arabia is the first to support Trump.
                The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) expressed welcome and support of the resolute strategy announced by US President Donald Trump towards Iran and its aggressive approach, praising his vision in this regard and commitment to work with the US allies, in the region, in order to face common challenges, particularly Iranís aggressive policies and actions, in the region, according to the Saudi Press Agency (SPA).

                The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has previously supported the nuclear agreement between Iran and the 5 + 1 powers, in the belief that it is necessary to limit proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, in our region and the world, the KSA statement stressed, hoping that would prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, in any way and in order to achieve security and peace, in the region, the statement added.

                ALSO READ: Trump says he has decided to decertify Iran nuclear deal
                However, Iran had exploited the economic benefits of lifting the sanctions and used them to continue to destabilize the region, especially through its ballistic missile development program and support of terrorism, in the region, including Hezbollah and the Houthi militias, in Yemen, the statement pointed out.

                Tehranís flagrant violation

                Iran has not only done so in flagrant violation of the resolution, but also it transferred such potentials and experience to its client militias, including Houthi militia, which used the missiles to target the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, hence exposing falsity of Iranian claims that the development of these capabilities is only for defensive reasons, the statement emphasized.

                To the contrary, the statement indicated that Iran in continuation of its aggressive approach, through its Revolutionary Guard and Houthi militia, repeatedly targeted international navigation passageways, in the Red Sea and the Arabian Gulf, in addition to Iranís continuing cyber-attacks against the Kingdom and other regionís countries.

                From this perspective, the Kingdom reaffirms full commitment to continue to work with partners in the United States and the international community to achieve the objectives declared by the President of the United States and the need to address threats posed by Iranís policies to international peace and security, within a wider perspective beyond Iranís nuclear program, to include its all aggressive activities, in order to cut off all avenues for Iran to acquire weapons of mass destruction, the statement concluded.

                Last Update: Friday, 13 October 2017 KSA 22:58 - GMT 19:58
                https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ards-Iran.html
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                • #9
                  British intelligence and media already starting to fall into step with Trump's new foreign policy moves..
                  Four months ago - cyber attack on UK parliament blamed on Russia
                  The Russian government is suspected of being behind a cyber-attack on parliament that breached dozens of email accounts belonging to MPs and peers.
                  Although the investigation is at an early stage and the identity of those responsible may prove impossible to establish with absolute certainty, Moscow is deemed the most likely culprit.
                  https://www.theguardian.com/politics...pected-culprit

                  Now, same attack blamed on Iran
                  Iran is being blamed for a cyber-attack in June on the email accounts of dozens of MPs, according to an unpublished assessment by British intelligence. Disclosure of the report, first revealed by the Times but independently verified by the Guardian, comes at an awkward juncture. Donald Trump made it clear on Friday that he wants to abandon the Iran nuclear deal. But European leaders, including Theresa May, want to retain it.
                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-intelligence

                  Fairly certain if Trump decides to go to war against North Korea, British intelligence and media will then state North Korea was responsible for the cyber attack all along....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                    He singled out Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps for sanctions and delivered a blistering critique of Tehran, which he accused of destabilizing actions in Syria, Yemen and Iraq.
                    ...
                    The main destabilizing agent in Syria, Yemen and Iraq has been Saudi Arabia...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                      The main destabilizing agent in Syria, Yemen and Iraq has been Saudi Arabia...
                      In Iraq? Na, GW and his daddy. Cheney and Bumsfield
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        In Iraq? Na, GW and his daddy. Cheney and Bumsfield
                        I was referring more to the ISIS era, but your point is taken..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          In Iraq? Na, GW and his daddy. Cheney and Bumsfield


                          Saddam starting a war against Iran and later invading Kuwait were efforts at peace and stabilization.

                          After the USA invade Iraq and removed Saddam from power, there was an "insurgency". My oldest son was there @ April 2004 thru April 2005 and about half the insurgents he and 1st Cav killed or captured were Farsi speakers. Obviously these were Iranian "volunteers". Likewise, when more advanced IEDs began to appear and were traced to Iran, these devices were also "volunteers".
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                            Trump strikes blow against Iran nuclear deal in major shift in U.S. policy

                            EXCERPT:
                            WASHINGTON - U.S. President Donald Trump struck a blow against the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement on Friday in defiance of other world powers, choosing not to certify that Tehran is complying with the deal and warning he might ultimately terminate it.

                            Trump announced the major shift in U.S. policy in a speech in which he detailed a more aggressive approach to Iran over its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and its support for extremist groups in the Middle East.

                            He accused Iran of "not living up to the spirit" of the nuclear agreement and said his goal is to ensure Tehran never obtains a nuclear weapon, in effect throwing the fate of the deal to Congress.

                            He singled out Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps for sanctions and delivered a blistering critique of Tehran, which he accused of destabilizing actions in Syria, Yemen and Iraq.
                            ...
                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...Q2s?li=BBnb7Kz

                            Actually, he didn't "strike a blow". I watched his comments live.

                            He made a couple of non-specific threats and left his options wide open to do something or nothing in the future.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Actually, he didn't "strike a blow". I watched his comments live.

                              He made a couple of non-specific threats and left his options wide open to do something or nothing in the future.
                              I noticed that. Thread OP and set-up link is from MSN.com, the hype is theirs, I just relayed it here. Of course the MSM/LSM never distort the "news" they report.
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