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  • #46
    Latest update:

    8 killed, 11 wounded this past weekend: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10/...e-shootings-2/
    "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

    "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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    • #47
      Originally posted by American87 View Post
      I'm not sure what you're arguing, but I'm not confusing any issues: decriminalizing weed leads to an increase in its use, while stricter gun laws do not reduce gun violence.
      The question was whether or not the government can take drugs off of the streets. The answer is no. Thus far they've completely failed to do so and that will remain the case moving forward.
      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
      - Benjamin Franklin

      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        The question was whether or not the government can take drugs off of the streets. The answer is no. Thus far they've completely failed to do so and that will remain the case moving forward.
        Actually, lax marijuana laws lead to an increase in the amount "on the streets:" http://www.dw.com/en/marijuana-makes...ado/a-19488025

        "In 2014, Colorado marijuana sales generated $76 million (67 million euros) in tax revenues, licenses and fees. Last year sales skyrocketed to nearly $1 billion , bringing in $135 million in tax revenue."
        "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

        "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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        • #49
          Originally posted by American87 View Post
          Actually, lax marijuana laws lead to an increase in the amount "on the streets:" http://www.dw.com/en/marijuana-makes...ado/a-19488025

          "In 2014, Colorado marijuana sales generated $76 million (67 million euros) in tax revenues, licenses and fees. Last year sales skyrocketed to nearly $1 billion , bringing in $135 million in tax revenue."
          And lax gun laws will lead to more guns on the street. Neither of which by itself is a bad thing. The point still remains, they will never successfully remove drugs or guns regardless of the law.

          Almost half of the US population uses or has used marijuana. When you have 100+ million using an illegal drug that is proof the war has failed.

          How can 100 million people using illegally be any indication that the government is capable of removing drugs?

          All of this is beside the point anyway. It makes no sense to have marijuana illegal while alcohol and cigarettes are not.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
            And lax gun laws will lead to more guns on the street. Neither of which by itself is a bad thing. The point still remains, they will never successfully remove drugs or guns regardless of the law.

            Almost half of the US population uses or has used marijuana. When you have 100+ million using an illegal drug that is proof the war has failed.

            How can 100 million people using illegally be any indication that the government is capable of removing drugs?

            All of this is beside the point anyway. It makes no sense to have marijuana illegal while alcohol and cigarettes are not.
            Yes, it is beside the point. You're trying to shut down the conversation about gun violence in Chicago by bringing up drugs.
            I bet you don't watch Fox News or listen to talk radio, so I'm going to tell you what's going on in the inner city: police are not doing investigative stops because the locals resist and create threatening situations, and the city officials will not support police actions. Thus anyone with a gun has free reign to shoot whoever they please.
            And liberals don't care because they don't want to utter one sentence that contradicts their narrative on gun laws and/or race relations. You will see hundreds more blacks die before the MSM or liberals in Washington admit they are wrong.
            "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

            "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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            • #51
              Of course...so apparent. A Fox and BimBawl fan and you consider yourself to be informed. JOKE!! Do you tune into Alex Jones regularly also?
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #52
                349 people shot in Chicago so far this year. But they're black so liberals don't care.

                http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/d...htmlstory.html
                "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by American87 View Post
                  349 people shot in Chicago so far this year. But they're black so liberals don't care.

                  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/d...htmlstory.html


                  guns are heavily restricted in Chicago so these shootings shouldn't be happening.
                  I guess the solution is more regulation. There must be a magic law out there that will change human nature.
                  Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                  Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Rutger View Post
                    Alcohol is not a drug?
                    Visit your local doctor and discuss.
                    Not the one that gets paid to say it's a drug, making you treat it as one, right?

                    It's not a drug. Just like all things, however, excess is not good for you.


                    The crap about alcohol being food and not causing instant damage the way LSD or heroine do and therefore not qualifying as a drug or as drugs?
                    That instantly makes pot a non-drug as well. Thanks for that, you've just given your go ahead to legalize pot.
                    Which might actually be a good idea, since the criminal world is making a 400% profit on pot for the very reason that it is an illegal substance, and that profit would evaporate if pot were legalized. Prohibition and gangsters, does that ring a bell?
                    OMG.
                    The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                      guns are heavily restricted in Chicago so these shootings shouldn't be happening.
                      I guess the solution is more regulation. There must be a magic law out there that will change human nature.
                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-up/359395002/
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #56


                        What is the relevance of the crime rate for the State of Illinois when discussing crime in Chicago?
                        Guns are, in fact, heavily restricted in chicago.
                        Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                        Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                          What is the relevance of the crime rate for the State of Illinois when discussing crime in Chicago?
                          Guns are, in fact, heavily restricted in chicago.
                          Duh, is Chicago in Utah?
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                            Duh, is Chicago in Utah?

                            A measure of the crime rate in Illinois, is not a measure of the crime rate in chicago.
                            There aren't a lot of drive by shootings out in farm country. (i.e. the parts of the state that are not chicago)
                            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                              A measure of the crime rate in Illinois, is not a measure of the crime rate in chicago.
                              There aren't a lot of drive by shootings out in farm country. (i.e. the parts of the state that are not chicago)
                              What did they use in those drive by's. Is it like Ron says tire irons? It always comes back to the same thing, doesn't it? To many baseball bats around.
                              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                                What did they use in those drive by's. Is it like Ron says tire irons? It always comes back to the same thing, doesn't it? To many baseball bats around.


                                Which doesn't address anything about why you think the crime rate in Illinois is also a measure of the crime rate in Chicago.
                                They remain different things.
                                As a result, my explicit point that guns are heavily regulated in chicago remains unrebutted.
                                And implicitly, despite those heavy regulations, Chicago still manages more shootings than anywhere else in the State.
                                Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                                Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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