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  • #31
    Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
    But, does California have the electricity available to juice up all those cars?

    Several years back, on another forum, the topic of electric cars came up. One poster on that forum was a middle level manager for a California power company. He said that their biggest nightmare is several million people all getting home from work at 6pm and, in addition to turning on their house lights, computers, tv's, microwave ovens, etc etc, they also plug in their cars to recharge the battery for the next days commute. People have a tendency to assume that there is an endless supply of electricity available. Before Californians, or the nation as a whole, takes the great leap into battery powered cars, it would be best to first increase the power infrastructure. Otherwise, those Tesla cars aren't going to be anything more than expensive garage queens.
    The real kicker is even more serious. Electrical vehicles are supposed to save energy, but in this case the amount of fossil fuel or other source needed to provide the "green" electrical power for all those vehicles will actually increase power consumption.

    Next, the cost of disposing of seven thousand lithium ion batteries per car also has to come from somewhere, and those are very lethal batteries.

    The acronym for this is TANSTAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As a Free Lunch.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #32
      The Progressives in California respond:

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      • #33
        Maybe UAW officials are looking for some more money to by more pens?

        The luxury fountain pens former Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV executive Alphons Iacobelli is accused of buying with money siphoned from a UAW training center are so rare, only 50 were available worldwide.

        According to federal prosecutors, Iacobelli bought two.

        A new government filing obtained by The Detroit News pinpoints the defining symbol of a $4.5 million scandal and offers insight into the man at the center of a high-profile federal indictment alleging corruption between one of Detroit’s Big Three automakers and the United Auto Workers, experts say.

        The Montblanc pen was sold in 2013 as part of a limited series honoring President Abraham Lincoln and cost $35,700 each – that’s $7,600 more than the median household income in Detroit. The black pen features solid, 18-karat gold fittings, a blue sapphire embedded in the clip, a mother-of-pearl cap ringed by three diamonds and an 18-karat gold tip engraved with 13 stars.
        http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ive/105833906/

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        • #34
          And the story within the story...

          Federal prosecutors have seized $292,000 from a fake hospice that funneled cash to Monica Morgan-Holiefield, a central figure of the Fiat Chrysler-UAW corruption scandal, court records allege.

          A federal court filing Tuesday seeking forfeiture of the money deepens a $4.5 million scandal involving two pillars of the auto industry and illustrates how federal agents are following money raided from a training fund for blue-collar workers.

          The filing emerged eight weeks after a federal grand jury indicted former Fiat Chrysler executive Alphons Iacobelli and Morgan-Holiefield, widow of former UAW Vice President General Holiefield. The auto executive and the widow are accused of conspiring in a scheme that drained more than $4.5 million from the training center over several years.

          In the filing, federal prosecutors chart the winding path of money from Fiat Chrysler’s bank account to Morgan-Holiefield’s pocket — after being transferred through her husband’s nonprofit and an acquaintance’s sham hospice in Detroit.
          http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...dal/105799814/

          Tuebor

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          • #35
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            Electrics, despite huge government subsidies to buy them, have remained largely unpopular. Most of the market are upper middle class buyers looking for a second car as a daily driver for a commute. That's a pretty niche market if you ask me.
            Speaking of which, the EV advocates have been pushing states to force public utilities to front the cost of building recharging stations and financing it with increased utility rates. Well that idea seems to be short circuiting.

            Faced with deadlines to increase the number of electric vehicles on the road, states are being asked to decide whether utility companies can build electric vehicle charging stations — and pass on the cost to their customers.

            Building more charging stations could help alleviate “range anxiety,” the fear of running out of charge with no station in sight, and therefore stimulate sales of the clean-air-friendly cars. But in some states, officials say that letting the utility industry build more stations would force all electricity consumers to pay for a service that only a few, relatively affluent, people will use.

            In California, home to nearly half the electric vehicles, or EVs, now on U.S. roads, the Public Utilities Commission last year approved plans for three of the state’s largest utilities to build more than 12,500 charging stations at workplaces, apartment complexes and public locations for about $200 million.

            But this year, Michigan, Missouri and Kansas all have slapped down utilities’ requests to build charging stations with customers’ money. “Let the private sector invest in the EV market, rather than have ratepayers finance the speculative venture,” the Kansas Corporation Commission ruled.
            http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ons/105803826/

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tuebor View Post
              Speaking of which, the EV advocates have been pushing states to force public utilities to front the cost of building recharging stations and financing it with increased utility rates. Well that idea seems to be short circuiting.



              http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ons/105803826/

              Tuebor
              Not Arizona... Ecotality was an utter and complete Obama administration fail you probably didn't hear about...

              http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...emain/8709287/

              They put in about 400 chargers for public use in the Phoenix metro area using about $100 million of which about $75 million was federal money. They made about $5,000 before going bankrupt.

              Blink charger revenue by municipality
              • Tempe: $241.50 from Aug. 22, 2012, to March 23, 2014.
              • Chandler: $181.25 through Dec. 13, 2013.
              • Phoenix: $1,054.50 from Sept. 15, 2011, to April 28, 2014.
              • Peoria: $23 from Feb. 27 to June 12, 2013.
              Anyway, this was an economic disaster by the Obama administration you probably didn't hear about.
              Most of the stations have now been vandalized so they don't work in any case as they were located at places were nobody provided security for them.

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