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  • Now Afghanistan Another breathtaking U-turn. What is going on?

    Now staying in Afghanistan.
    Another breathtaking U-turn. What is going on?

    Suddenly a complete reversal on Afghanistan.
    This from the man who unequivocally said a few years ago that US involvement needed to be wrapped up and it had been an error.
    A waste and a drain on US blood and treasure.

    Now hes saying the US will double down and possibly extend the fight to Pakistan proper.
    The contrast between what this guy said on the campaign trail and his actions in office have never been more stark.
    Bet his base will still stick with him though.

    Regards
    lodestar

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    You celebrated Bannon "going back to his Breitbart cesspool", now you complain that the White House has abandoned Bannon's non-interventionist policy... You're not the only one though. Many liberals on here had nothing but criticism for the Bush administration's interventionist/regime change policies and the human and economic costs for the US. Now, the same liberals are celebrating every time a non-interventionist member of the current administration is removed and is replaced by a interventionist globalist. Yesterday's liberals are today's neo-conservatives....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
      You celebrated Bannon "going back to his Breitbart cesspool", now you complain that the White House has abandoned Bannon's non-interventionist policy... You're not the only one though. Many liberals on here had nothing but criticism for the Bush administration's interventionist/regime change policies and the human and economic costs for the US. Now, the same liberals are celebrating every time a non-interventionist member of the current administration is removed and is replaced by a interventionist globalist. Yesterday's liberals are today's neo-conservatives....
      Personally I've never criticised Bush for his intervention in Afghanistan, my only criticism is the manner that it was done. I also applaud Trump's move away from isolationism.

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      • #4
        What happened to that plan of increasing the size and role of 'private contractors' in Afg?

        That was a good idea. Get rid of the restrictive ROE's and stupid ideas like taking Taliban prisoner or treating their wounded.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gooner View Post
          What happened to that plan of increasing the size and role of 'private contractors' in Afg?

          That was a good idea. Get rid of the restrictive ROE's and stupid ideas like taking Taliban prisoner or treating their wounded.
          So you believe that the US should stop following the Geneva convention then?

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          • #6
            What happened to that plan of increasing the size and role of 'private contractors' in Afg?
            A totally stupid idea from the start. It would open up all sorts of possible corruption in what is already one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. What would be the contractors incentive to winning and then being out of a job? What would be their ROE and guide for success? Body count??? Who would own the company's that provide the fighters? Perhaps some noble person such a Dick Cheney / Halliburton? IF that is the case when does our, the west, involvement end??? Want to guess? NEVER!!
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            youre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
              So you believe that the US should stop following the Geneva convention then?
              Follow the letter only.

              Private contractors though have more leeway.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
                So you believe that the US should stop following the Geneva convention then?
                The Geneva Conventions only apply to the Taliban because we decided to apply it to them. The Conventions apply to lawful combatants, and the Taliban are not. The Taliban are covered by the laws of Afghanistan- they are terrorists and criminals, now lawful combatants.

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                • #9
                  What will be interesting is the Trump speech in Arizona:

                  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                    ...Another breathtaking U-turn...
                    Does a yawn meet the definition of breathtaking?
                    Last edited by III Corps; 22 Aug 17, 10:04.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 82redleg View Post
                      The Geneva Conventions only apply to the Taliban because we decided to apply it to them. The Conventions apply to lawful combatants, and the Taliban are not. The Taliban are covered by the laws of Afghanistan- they are terrorists and criminals, now lawful combatants.
                      What did you think about the US's historical enemies when they executed your captured military? Also, would/do you criticise Taliban members if/when they execute prisoners?

                      Personally I believe that the only way that the Americans can win in Afghanistan is by taking the high moral ground in the conflict.

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                      • #12
                        You can't fix a country mired in poverty and war for 5,000 years in a couple of decades and expect them to suddenly become a great peaceful place...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                          You celebrated Bannon "going back to his Breitbart cesspool", now you complain that the White House has abandoned Bannon's non-interventionist policy... You're not the only one though. Many liberals on here had nothing but criticism for the Bush administration's interventionist/regime change policies and the human and economic costs for the US. Now, the same liberals are celebrating every time a non-interventionist member of the current administration is removed and is replaced by a interventionist globalist. Yesterday's liberals are today's neo-conservatives....
                          Bannon was known for more than his isolationist policy. It's some of his other views that make people happy that he's gone. Also, no policy is black or white. There is plenty of gray area between isolation and intervention. It's the middle road that we should take. Each scenario should be judged on its own merits.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                            Now staying in Afghanistan.
                            Another breathtaking U-turn. What is going on?

                            Suddenly a complete reversal on Afghanistan.
                            This from the man who unequivocally said a few years ago that US involvement needed to be wrapped up and it had been an error.
                            A waste and a drain on US blood and treasure.

                            Now hes saying the US will double down and possibly extend the fight to Pakistan proper.
                            The contrast between what this guy said on the campaign trail and his actions in office have never been more stark.
                            Bet his base will still stick with him though.

                            Regards
                            lodestar
                            The war is propping up large portions of the American economy.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
                              So you believe that the US should stop following the Geneva convention then?
                              When the enemy is not even a signatory and routinely tortures and beheads prisoners?

                              Damned right.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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