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    The myth of Republican racism is "a libel and Republicans should say so, loudly and often."

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...sm-mona-charen

    This article explains how Republicans have always been the champion of people's rights, while Democrats not so much. It also shows that there was no "Big Switch," that Democrat politicans stayed in their party through the 50s and 60s, as did Republicans.

    So how did the myth of Republican Racism get started? Joe Biden gave a speech to an afro-American audience a few years back and told them Republicans want "to put them back in chains." Where did that come from? When did Republicans ever push for something like that, or anything that restricts the rights of people?

    Calling Republicans racist is a libel. If someone is accused of racism, without it being proven, and it affects that person's reputation, he should sue for libel.
    "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

    "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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    There are a lot of republicans who hold a different (inaccurate) definition of what racism is in order to clear their selves of the charge. The dictionary definition of a racist is simply one who believes his or her own race is superior over another. So you'll see a lot of conservatives put out all of these stats about black crime, iq, etc which to them shows racial superiority, yet they'll then claim they're not racist because the evidence they're providing is factual. As if placing reasoning behind their belief of racial superiority somehow makes it acceptable when in reality there's no difference.

    "Factual" claims of racial superiority are still claims of racial superiority and is by definition racist. Hate or violence is not a prerequisite.

    So when discussing the "myth" you have to first understand they moved the goal posts.

    Secondly, the "myth" comes from surveys which consistently shows that republicans are less accepting of minorities than their liberal counterparts.

    And then republicans nominated Trump. Emphasis on nominated as there were multiple highly qualified republican candidates without the baggage, yet they chose the most disgusting one. The only republican candidate hell bent on making everything about race.
    Last edited by TactiKill J.; 19 Aug 17, 18:39.
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    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      There are a lot of republicans who hold a different (inaccurate) definition of what racism is in order to clear their selves of the charge. The dictionary definition of a racist is simply one who believes his or her own race is superior over another. So you'll see a lot of conservatives put out all of these stats about black crime, iq, etc which to them shows racial superiority, yet they'll then claim they're not racist because the evidence they're providing is factual. As if placing reasoning behind their belief of racial superiority somehow makes it acceptable when in reality there's no difference.

      "Factual" claims of racial superiority are still claims of racial superiority and is by definition racist. Hate or violence is not a prerequisite.

      So when discussing the "myth" you have to first understand they moved the goal posts.

      Secondly, the "myth" comes from surveys which consistently shows that republicans are less accepting of minorities than their liberal counterparts.

      And then republicans nominated Trump. Emphasis on nominated as there were multiple highly qualified republican candidates without the baggage, yet they chose the most disgusting one. The only republican candidate hell bent on making everything about race.
      Do you have proof that " a lot of Republicans" believe in racial superiority? This is what this post is about: throwing accusations out there without any real proof. What documented evidence do you have that all these Republicans are racist?

      Where are these surveys that show Republicans are consistently less accepting of minorities than Democrats?

      What proof do you have that Trump was hellbent on making everything about race? I'm gonna assume you think he's racist, so where's the proof? He was a mainstream media figure for 30 years and no one called him racist until he ran as a Republican.
      "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

      "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        There are a lot of republicans who hold a different (inaccurate) definition of what racism is in order to clear their selves of the charge. The dictionary definition of a racist is simply one who believes his or her own race is superior over another. So you'll see a lot of conservatives put out all of these stats about black crime, iq, etc which to them shows racial superiority,
        Oh so now we get to it.
        The stats are real, and yet you say that speaking of them is racist?
        Are there any other realities that Big Brother would like to declare Wrong-Think?
        No mention of people who believe that white people are all born racist on matter if they know it or not? All of those people are Democrats, btw.
        Shall we mention all the people who want whites thrown out of the DNC?

        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        yet they'll then claim they're not racist because the evidence they're providing is factual. As if placing reasoning behind their belief of racial superiority somehow makes it acceptable when in reality there's no difference.
        Facts are the basis of Science... or at least that is what we are told whenever Global Warming comes up...

        And no, it isn't about race. It is about a culture and a Political agenda hiding behind a mask of goody-goody love for all unless they think differently from your rigid orthodoxy.
        You can pretend to be a good guy, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. This is why the people that voted for Trump are not deserting him... and from your tone, it is us you really hate, not Trump.
        Why else would you try to paint half the people in America as Racists that must be "dealt with" somehow, eh?

        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        "Factual" claims of racial superiority are still claims of racial superiority and is by definition racist. Hate or violence is not a prerequisite.


        Which of those are part of the GOP's official Platform?

        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        Secondly, the "myth" comes from surveys which consistently shows that republicans are less accepting of minorities than their liberal counterparts.
        Wrong again, you are speaking of making political use of minorities, and promising them free stuff because the color of their skin somehow entitles they to superior considerations.
        In short, race-based favoritism, which Republican's have always opposed.
        ALWAYS.
        Go back to 1860 and tell us now many Repubs were slave owners. I'll make it easy for you; ZERO.

        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        And then Democrats nominated Hillary. Emphasis on nominated as there were no other qualified Democrat candidates , so they chose the most disgusting one in history. The only Democrats are hell bent on making everything about race.
        There, fixed it for you.
        "Why is the Rum gone?"

        -Captain Jack

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        • #5
          The following was posted by 101combatvet

          http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...4&postcount=58


          Ask him why he posted it.

          It seems to me that he believes in racial superiority...
          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by American87 View Post
            Do you have proof that " a lot of Republicans" believe in racial superiority? This is what this post is about: throwing accusations out there without any real proof. What documented evidence do you have that all these Republicans are racist?

            Where are these surveys that show Republicans are consistently less accepting of minorities than Democrats?
            In terms of racial superiority, we have had this discussion here awhile ago. Where conservative members argued that they have stats to prove it and it's not racist because it's fact. So that comes from previous discussions here and you will see that elsewhere as well. When I have the time I'll try to find the thread.

            The surveys:

            In this case, 42 percent of white Republicans rated African Americans as being lazier than whites, versus 24 percent of white Democrats.

            In this case, 26 percent of white Republicans rated African Americans as less intelligent, compared to 18 percent of white Democrats.

            It's a similar story on interracial marriage; 26 percent of white Republicans say they'd be opposed to a family member or close relative marrying a black person, versus 12 percent of white Democrats.
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.bb134e849a39





            When asked about where they wanted to live, 36 percent of Trump supporters said, "I prefer to live in a community with people who come from diverse cultures," compared with 46 percent of Cruz supporters, 55 percent of Kasich supporters and 70 percent of Clinton supporters.
            http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-half-...es-poll-475692

            Further, republicans are not champions of peoples rights. Which party is actively fighting against the rights of gays and Muslims? Did republicans do anything to stop the Patriot act, one of the biggest violations of the rights of all American citizens? No. The only champions of peoples rights are libertarians.

            All of that said, I do not believe the republican party is a party of or for racism. Any type of claim would be ignorant and wildly inaccurate. However if you're going to compare them directly to liberals, there is a clear distinction between the two. Especially today with such a strong white nationalist movement growing on the republican side.

            What proof do you have that Trump was hellbent on making everything about race? I'm gonna assume you think he's racist, so where's the proof? He was a mainstream media figure for 30 years and no one called him racist until he ran as a Republican.
            They did, but he also used to be a liberal democrat with liberal views and then did a complete 180.
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pamak View Post
              Ask him why he posted it.
              Why don't YOU, in that thread, instead of taking the sneaky route and posting that question here?
              "Why is the Rum gone?"

              -Captain Jack

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                Why don't YOU, in that thread, instead of taking the sneaky route and posting that question here?

                Because, it is HERE that we talk about the issue of racism among conservatives. Now let's see how you and other conservatives react when there are signs of racism...

                What do you think about his post? Does it promote racist views, or is it just another "scientific truth" which he simply spreads out?
                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                  Oh so now we get to it.
                  The stats are real, and yet you say that speaking of them is racist?
                  Are there any other realities that Big Brother would like to declare Wrong-Think?
                  No mention of people who believe that white people are all born racist on matter if they know it or not? All of those people are Democrats, btw.
                  Shall we mention all the people who want whites thrown out of the DNC?
                  If you're using stats to equate racial superiority, yes it is racist. I didn't create the word or the definition of it.

                  racist - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

                  http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racist?s=t

                  So please, tell me how using data to proclaim racial superiority isn't racist. Read the definition.

                  If anyone believes in racial superiority, whether they're democrat, black or white, they are indeed racist.

                  Facts are the basis of Science... or at least that is what we are told whenever Global Warming comes up...
                  What makes you as an individual superior to Neil DeGrasse Tyson or George Carver, MLK, Mandela, Colin Powel or any regular black person who has accomplished more than you have?

                  And no, it isn't about race. It is about a culture and a Political agenda hiding behind a mask of goody-goody love for all unless they think differently from your rigid orthodoxy.

                  You can pretend to be a good guy, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. This is why the people that voted for Trump are not deserting him... and from your tone, it is us you really hate, not Trump.
                  Why else would you try to paint half the people in America as Racists that must be "dealt with" somehow, eh?
                  I'm not painting half the people in America as racist, unless you're implying that all republicans believe in racial superiority. I don't however feel that to be the case.



                  Which of those are part of the GOP's official Platform?
                  I discussed where that came from.

                  Wrong again, you are speaking of making political use of minorities, and promising them free stuff because the color of their skin somehow entitles they to superior considerations.
                  Now you're just making baseless assumptions. I'm speaking purely on how people feel about minorities in a general sense. There is a clear difference between democrats and republicans in that regard. I do not believe in handouts or anything free for anyone of any race.

                  In short, race-based favoritism, which Republican's have always opposed.
                  ALWAYS.
                  Again, no.

                  Go back to 1860 and tell us now many Repubs were slave owners. I'll make it easy for you; ZERO.
                  Revisionist history.

                  There, fixed it for you.
                  Certainly the democrats messed up as well, but who was their other option? Bernie, would you really rather risk a real socialist getting into office??

                  Yes, Trump should have beaten Hillary, that's not the problem, the problem is the great republicans he beat as well.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • #10
                    Also, I won't need to find the thread I was referring to if you're going to prove my point here. You consistently see conservatives arguing in favor of racial superiority then claiming it's not racist because "data". You're proving my point.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

                    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      If you're using stats to equate racial superiority, yes it is racist. I didn't create the word or the definition of it.
                      And I have not seen anyone on the website use those stats that way, ever.

                      What I do is is those stats being used to counter all the nonsense about Whites attacking Blacks all over the place, when the opposite is true, and that includes crimes of a racial nature.
                      Truth hurts, don't it?
                      (Especially when it is a threat to Political Power, apparently)

                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      What makes you as an individual superior to Neil DeGrasse Tyson or George Carver, MLK, Mandela, Colin Powel or any regular black person who has accomplished more than you have?
                      You get all that from a comment on Global Warming?
                      No wonder you turned your likes/dislikes function off.


                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      I discussed where that came from.
                      Poorly, if at all.

                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Now you're just making baseless assumptions.
                      Prove it.

                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Revisionist history.
                      Nope, I will stand by that. NO REPUBLICANS OWNED SLAVES.
                      A number of free Blacks did, however.

                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Certainly the democrats messed up as well, but who was their other option? Bernie, would you really rather risk a real socialist getting into office??
                      At least he was honest about it.
                      Being a Socialist, I mean.

                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Yes, Trump should have beaten Hillary, that's not the problem, the problem is the great republicans he beat as well.
                      Wow, YOU are calling Neo-Cons "great"?
                      Name a few, this is bound to be a classic!
                      "Why is the Rum gone?"

                      -Captain Jack

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pamak View Post
                        ...
                        What do you think about his post?
                        My answer is in the thread it belongs in.
                        Answer it if you like, my give-a-damn concerning your view of things is pretty close to busted.
                        "Why is the Rum gone?"

                        -Captain Jack

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                          And I have not seen anyone on the website use those stats that way, ever.
                          I'll post the threads tomorrow then, can't right now. Even though you were heading down that path yourself until you realized it was indefensible.

                          What I do is is those stats being used to counter all the nonsense about Whites attacking Blacks all over the place, when the opposite is true, and that includes crimes of a racial nature.
                          Truth hurts, don't it?
                          (Especially when it is a threat to Political Power, apparently)
                          You know it doesn't end there, but as far as those stats go we all need to recognize the amount of hate still prevalent in America. It's the same truth I've been talking about forever.

                          You get all that from a comment on Global Warming?
                          No wonder you turned your likes/dislikes function off.
                          I got that from you trying to argue that there's science behind racial superiority.

                          I can turn the green bars on if they mean that much to you.

                          Wow, YOU are calling Neo-Cons "great"?
                          Name a few, this is bound to be a classic
                          Rand Paul. The only candidate who wanted to shrink the size of government and uphold our personal liberties. He would have been a great President.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            I got that from you trying to argue that there's science behind racial superiority.
                            If you actually got that from this -

                            Facts are the basis of Science... or at least that is what we are told whenever Global Warming comes up...

                            And no, it isn't about race. It is about a culture and a Political agenda hiding behind a mask of goody-goody love for all unless they think differently from your rigid orthodoxy.
                            - then I suggest that this whole thing is doing nothing for your mental health. Take a break or something. Its Saturday night, go party!



                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            Rand Paul. The only candidate who wanted to shrink the size of government and uphold our personal liberties. He would have been a great President.
                            I agree.
                            However, he was not ... oh, you mean the son, not Ron. No, not yet, give him 5-10 years, he'll get there.
                            "Why is the Rum gone?"

                            -Captain Jack

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                              In terms of racial superiority, we have had this discussion here awhile ago. Where conservative members argued that they have stats to prove it and it's not racist because it's fact. So that comes from previous discussions here and you will see that elsewhere as well. When I have the time I'll try to find the thread.

                              The surveys:
                              Graphs show that difference is quite small, Republicans even earning a 'better' score than Democrats for a small time span.

                              Further, republicans are not champions of peoples rights. Which party is actively fighting against the rights of gays and Muslims? Did republicans do anything to stop the Patriot act, one of the biggest violations of the rights of all American citizens? No. The only champions of peoples rights are libertarians.
                              Republicans are champions of peoples rights, it is simply that most don't read the same thing that Democrats when reading 'peoples rights'.

                              Note also that Trump got elected mainly due to libertarians support.

                              All of that said, I do not believe the republican party is a party of or for racism. Any type of claim would be ignorant and wildly inaccurate. However if you're going to compare them directly to liberals, there is a clear distinction between the two. Especially today with such a strong white nationalist movement growing on the republican side.
                              Doubtful. Some Republicans can lean to ultranationalism but today most are obsessed with the State which is the mean by which white nationalist movement wish to impose his views to population.

                              They did, but he also used to be a liberal democrat with liberal views and then did a complete 180.
                              I'm not sure that Trump hold any political idea. For him supporting a wing is more likely a matter of strategy to acheive his objective(s).

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