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  • #46
    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    Interesting....so is the criteria about their location, making their symbolism all the more reprehensible.....
    Government doesn't usually judge matters of symbolism -- at least not wise governments. That's a trap that can ruin a community. Please, let's allow symbolism to reside where it truly belongs: in the eye of the beholder.

    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    or are people going to want them down regardless? What if the Confederate monuments were located on prominent, yet private property to begin with?
    On private property, there's precious little that the chattering masses can do, regardless of its prominence. If that were not the case, then the whole outdoor advertising billboard industry would be out of business.

    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    In the town I live in, many years ago there was a lawsuit brought by a local Atheist to remove the Ten Commandments from the courthouse lawn.
    Court house lawn = public property

    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    At the time, it was mostly obscured by shrubbery. A local banker solved the problem by having the tablet removed from public grounds onto his bank property using his funds(private property). The result is now the tablet is more prominent and visible than at anytime before and cannot be missed.

    Can we assume that, if people/officials/politicians are not careful...all of this monument removal could set a precedent in which we may find ourselves in the "be careful what you wish for" trap?
    Guess that's about the size of it. Sometimes it's better leaving well-enough alone.

    By and large most people don't get too emotionally involved with such issues. Only hard-ons do. What we need are not fewer symbols, but fewer hard-ons.
    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
      So you are saying they can ID people from other states without an ID? The Offshore Oil Industry in Louisiana once hired anyone off the streets as long as they could show they had a skill needed. Because no ID was required and they often gave false Social Security Numbers (Ex-wife, child support woes) a couple of serial criminals worked from the Morgan City/Houma areas.

      The Casinos in Nevada were able to isolate card counters because they often gave false ID with a Boston, Massachusetts
      address (Home of Card Counter U, MIT). Then they just added them to the book of known Card Counters.

      There are a number of Left Wing agitators that are doing their best to stay out of the system. How much time will law enforcement from other states spend on tracking down
      these type of people? LEO in Texas will not even pick up deadbeat Dad's behind on their child support.

      Pruitt
      Read what you posted. It's pretty disjointed with little if any connection.
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #48
        I saw the video and there seemed to be mostly Whites in it. Durham may be a hotbed of Leftist radicals, but until someone proves this, I think many of the white protestors were from somewhere else. If many were locals, let us see how many are charged and taken to trial!

        Pruitt
        Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

        Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

        by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
          I saw the video and there seemed to be mostly Whites in it. Durham may be a hotbed of Leftist radicals, but until someone proves this, I think many of the white protestors were from somewhere else. If many were locals, let us see how many are charged and taken to trial!

          Pruitt
          You can't prove a negative. If you think they were from else where it would be up to you to prove that they were.
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
            I saw the video and there seemed to be mostly Whites in it. Durham may be a hotbed of Leftist radicals, but until someone proves this, I think many of the white protestors were from somewhere else. If many were locals, let us see how many are charged and taken to trial!

            Pruitt
            http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/...167201667.html

            One from Durham.

            “Tactics are changing, which means that our strategies need to change, our unity needs to escalate and our demands to fight back and resist domestic terror needs to escalate,” said Eva Panjwani with the Workers World Party Durham.
            Another.

            Alissa Ellis, of the Workers World Party Durham branch that was a participant in the Charlottesville protest, said people need to embrace multiple tactics because that is what kept her safe.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #51
              Workers World Party (kissin' cousins of an ideology that slaughtered 100 million people) can pay for the damage they have caused and some of its members can go to jail.
              {}

              "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                Workers World Party (kissin' cousins of an ideology that slaughtered 100 million people) can pay for the damage they have caused and some of its members can go to jail.
                Class 'C' misdemeanor, no one is going to jail.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #53
                  Eva Panjwani looks like she is from India, but I could be wrong. The one in the picture with Eva could be from almost anywhere. Why would people from all these Leftist organizations just happen to live in Durham? Strange...

                  Pruitt
                  Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                  Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                  by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                    Eva Panjwani looks like she is from India, but I could be wrong. The one in the picture with Eva could be from almost anywhere. Why would people from all these Leftist organizations just happen to live in Durham? Strange...

                    Pruitt
                    ummmm. Students????
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • #55
                      This ain't Chapel Hill or one of the other big schools. It could be they are Fine Arts majors. When I went back to college in the mid 90's we had a student in Fine Arts that dyed his hair pink. We would all rush to the window to see him for a few days. He stopped traffic! I never could figure what kind of job would hire him after he got his degree.

                      Pruitt
                      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                        Speaking of monuments, now Teddy Roosevelt has to go..
                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...statue-protest

                        Meanwhile in Durham, NC

                        DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                        • #57
                          Already, the call to wipe Stone Mountain. (Drudge Headlines.)
                          Pressure builds to remove Confederate faces off Stone Mountain...
                          A comment by a reader in another link.
                          After statues, WHAT’S NEXT?
                          This is “1984”!
                          This “remove all Civil War Statues” movement is just like what happened in 1930’s Germany.
                          Statues today, books tomorrow, IDEAS NEXT YEAR?
                          Lincoln Memorial Vandalized...
                          Why?
                          “Breaking News,”

                          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                          • #58
                            I can understand the fellow Americans who tore that CSA statue down...they were thinking like Reagan who said tear down that wall irt West and East Berlin. Both the folks who tore down the statue and Reagan thought of their actions as righteous and perhaps they were morally correct.


                            There is a false narrative created by some conservative Americans that liberals or the left do not call out unlawful riot or mob type activity , that the left or liberals call out the KKK but do not denounce black or white people who attack police officers or whom destroy private property . Such a narrative can not be, the average Democrat or perhaps what some may refer to as a leftist would follow in the footsteps of the American and French Revolution... not in the footsteps of those whom came out against American ideals like the CSA.


                            One possible solution to the CSA monument issue now facing the USA more and more it seems is to replace CSA monuments with monuments of white or black European Romans of history...this would serve as a counter to the false narrative of both Afrocentrics and Eurocentrics whom believe that certain so called races are more prone to crime or certain races have a backward history. If a group was to be for tearing down a CSA monument and putting up a statue of Washington or Napoleon the support would surely be larger and more bipartisan.
                            Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 15 Aug 17, 15:18.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                              How I see it is racists trying to justify their narrow perspective. I chatted with one of the old black panthers and he tried to convince me that white people were the source of all wars and that I was a white devil... I passed the joint back and somewhat giggled.

                              Then pointed out that war is a epidemic among all races and tribes.

                              tried to to rep ya but dam that a good story

                              and way not to bogart

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                                This ain't Chapel Hill or one of the other big schools. It could be they are Fine Arts majors. When I went back to college in the mid 90's we had a student in Fine Arts that dyed his hair pink. We would all rush to the window to see him for a few days. He stopped traffic! I never could figure what kind of job would hire him after he got his degree.

                                Pruitt
                                Women that climbed ladder and fastened the strap around statue has been arrested.

                                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...rrests/537015/

                                Seems she was a local. So???????
                                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                                “To talk of many things:
                                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                                Of cabbages—and kings—
                                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                                And whether pigs have wings.”
                                ― Lewis Carroll

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