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  • #31
    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    Sometimes one is not required to say anything.....their actions alone spoke louder than words.
    It's on their money- "Two years after the ratification of a treaty between the United States and the Confederates States..."

    The South was fighting for its independence and not to destroy the US.
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    "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      The monument came down in seconds. A protest was happening outside the building. A protester 'roped' the statue, the crowd pulled, it came down. Not like it took a couple minutes.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...cklash/536889/

      Video looks like it took less than 20 seconds.
      Given the video, the police know at least some of the vandal's faces. Shouldn't they be trying to arrest these people for destruction of public property?

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      • #33
        This local news story gives about the best run down and time line of the Durham statue vandals.

        http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/...167201667.html
        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
        “To talk of many things:
        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
        Of cabbages—and kings—
        And why the sea is boiling hot—
        And whether pigs have wings.”
        ― Lewis Carroll

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        • #34
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Given the video, the police know at least some of the vandal's faces. Shouldn't they be trying to arrest these people for destruction of public property?
          The county Sheriff is responsible for that part of ground. They had a deputy taking video the entire time. I'd say people will be arrested. However it's a class 'c' misdemeanor. So not much will happen. See the link I just posted from local news.
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #35
            Originally posted by asterix View Post
            Sounds like the locals there have little problem with such a privately owned piece being displayed in a public space. Of course, they're free to change their minds, which they may do at only a moment's notice.
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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            • #36
              Here is the answer on Durham charges.

              http://abc11.com/politics/sheriff-to...ters-/2309889/

              DURHAM, North Carolina (WTVD) -- Durham County Sheriff Mike Andrews said Tuesday his office will seek charges against protestors who pulled down a Confederate statue outside the old courthouse Monday evening.

              "Collectively, we decided that restraint and public safety would be our priority. As the Sheriff, I am not blind to the offensive conduct of some demonstrators nor will I ignore their criminal conduct. With the help of video captured at the scene, my investigators are working to identify those responsible for the removal and vandalism of the statue," he said.
              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
              “To talk of many things:
              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
              Of cabbages—and kings—
              And why the sea is boiling hot—
              And whether pigs have wings.”
              ― Lewis Carroll

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              • #37
                Some patrolmen on horseback and some footmen in Riot Gear and shotguns would have worked better. This dude is a politician.

                Pruitt
                Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                  Some patrolmen on horseback and some footmen in Riot Gear and shotguns would have worked better. This dude is a politician.

                  Pruitt
                  All Sheriffs are politicians.

                  Sorry, we don't need a riot with gas/batons etc for a 60 second attack on a statue. Get pictures, ID them, charge them. Not worth the damage and injury that would have resulted with your response.
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #39
                    From what I can gather the next thing is it will be declared that the US Civil War 1861-65 did never happen...places like Gettysburg are just a product of imagination...Whats the next thing America.... shades of 1984 ?????

                    Toulon France...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      All Sheriffs are politicians.

                      Sorry, we don't need a riot with gas/batons etc for a 60 second attack on a statue. Get pictures, ID them, charge them. Not worth the damage and injury that would have resulted with your response.
                      For that response the Sheriff would have had to have been there with enough personnel to gather the protestors together and process them on the spot. I doubt that all of the protestors were in a system the Sheriff could access. This is not the response I would want my Sheriff making.

                      I don't see these people having ID's or being peaceably processed. I think many had violence in their hearts and wanted to become martyrs. What are they going to do next? If you stand up to them maybe they will stay home?

                      Pruitt
                      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                        For that response the Sheriff would have had to have been there with enough personnel to gather the protestors together and process them on the spot. I doubt that all of the protestors were in a system the Sheriff could access. This is not the response I would want my Sheriff making.

                        I don't see these people having ID's or being peaceably processed. I think many had violence in their hearts and wanted to become martyrs. What are they going to do next? If you stand up to them maybe they will stay home?

                        Pruitt
                        You do not need a system to access to ID someone that you have a very good picture of.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Know? More like think mainly because they, themselves, are ignorant. What they want is for you to be ignorant too. Knowledge to them is dangerous as it might allow you to think for yourself or give you opposing ideas to the ones they want you to have.
                          Oh, I think they know what they're doing....all too well. While many in the medias networks may be the useful ideological idiots these networks look for, I think much of what they do is deliberate. This "ratings" quest is a sideshow. We are a product of our environment, and when the seemingly majority of the population is easily distracted and influenced into parroting the last thing they saw and/or heard, I don't think it's a coincidence that society as a whole has been dumbed down to this extent.

                          Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                          It's on their money- "Two years after the ratification of a treaty between the United States and the Confederates States..."

                          The South was fighting for its independence and not to destroy the US.
                          I disagree. When you take up arms against your government because you wish to preserve an institution which is gradually becoming less and less defensible by the Constitution , then you are indeed attempting to destroy the US as it existed.

                          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                          Sounds like the locals there have little problem with such a privately owned piece being displayed in a public space. Of course, they're free to change their minds, which they may do at only a moment's notice.
                          Interesting....so is the criteria about their location, making their symbolism all the more reprehensible.....or are people going to want them down regardless? What if the Confederate monuments were located on prominent, yet private property to begin with?

                          In the town I live in, many years ago there was a lawsuit brought by a local Atheist to remove the Ten Commandments from the courthouse lawn. At the time, it was mostly obscured by shrubbery. A local banker solved the problem by having the tablet removed from public grounds onto his bank property using his funds(private property). The result is now the tablet is more prominent and visible than at anytime before and cannot be missed.

                          Can we assume that, if people/officials/politicians are not careful...all of this monument removal could set a precedent in which we may find ourselves in the "be careful what you wish for" trap?
                          You'll live, only the best get killed.

                          -General Charles de Gaulle

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                          • #43
                            So you are saying they can ID people from other states without an ID? The Offshore Oil Industry in Louisiana once hired anyone off the streets as long as they could show they had a skill needed. Because no ID was required and they often gave false Social Security Numbers (Ex-wife, child support woes) a couple of serial criminals worked from the Morgan City/Houma areas.

                            The Casinos in Nevada were able to isolate card counters because they often gave false ID with a Boston, Massachusetts
                            address (Home of Card Counter U, MIT). Then they just added them to the book of known Card Counters.

                            There are a number of Left Wing agitators that are doing their best to stay out of the system. How much time will law enforcement from other states spend on tracking down
                            these type of people? LEO in Texas will not even pick up deadbeat Dad's behind on their child support.

                            Pruitt
                            Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                            Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                            by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                              So you are saying they can ID people from other states without an ID? The Offshore Oil Industry in Louisiana once hired anyone off the streets as long as they could show they had a skill needed. Because no ID was required and they often gave false Social Security Numbers (Ex-wife, child support woes) a couple of serial criminals worked from the Morgan City/Houma areas.

                              The Casinos in Nevada were able to isolate card counters because they often gave false ID with a Boston, Massachusetts
                              address (Home of Card Counter U, MIT). Then they just added them to the book of known Card Counters.

                              There are a number of Left Wing agitators that are doing their best to stay out of the system. How much time will law enforcement from other states spend on tracking down
                              these type of people? LEO in Texas will not even pick up deadbeat Dad's behind on their child support.

                              Pruitt
                              And you know they are from other states how? Each article I read the people they talked to that were part of the demonstration were locals.
                              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                              “To talk of many things:
                              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                              Of cabbages—and kings—
                              And why the sea is boiling hot—
                              And whether pigs have wings.”
                              ― Lewis Carroll

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                                It's on their money- "Two years after the ratification of a treaty between the United States and the Confederates States..."

                                The South was fighting for its independence and not to destroy the US.
                                Jesus on the Cross is that a totally stupid comment.

                                First the South had all the same rights as the North.

                                Second You take 13 State from the Union and you pathetically have the gall to say it wasn't trying to destroy the Union.

                                In your world the South was fighting for it's independence.

                                In the real world, which you seem to have divorced yourself from, the South fought for one thing and one thing only. The perpetuation of slavery. Are you proud of that?
                                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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