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  • #16
    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    The difference is 'many national heroes...'. The statues of the rebel leadersare commemorate those who fought against and sought to destroy the US.


    The Robert E. Lee Statues depict him in confederate uniform, but prior to that he was a legitimate national hero of the US for his service in the Mexican war.

    While he may have fought against the US, his statues were erected by local organizations, not the Federal government. I agree that it is a little weird to have monuments to leaders of a rebellion, but the Federal government had no authority to prevent it.
    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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    • #17
      Agree completely.

      Excellent posting and communities have the right to have the monuments in place-just as they have the right to take them down.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        Agree completely.

        Excellent posting and communities have the right to have the monuments in place-just as they have the right to take them down.
        Very true. But if they wish to do so without encouraging more violent confrontations....they have to work better at controlling scenes like this:

        http://nypost.com/2017/08/15/officia...derate-statue/

        Such acts are sure to only bring out the worst of extremes on both sides of the issue.
        You'll live, only the best get killed.

        -General Charles de Gaulle

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        • #19
          We have he thing called elections and voting. If the citizens wish to keep or remove a monument etc then let THEM decide in the voting booth.
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by asterix View Post
            Very true. But if they wish to do so without encouraging more violent confrontations....they have to work better at controlling scenes like this:

            http://nypost.com/2017/08/15/officia...derate-statue/

            Such acts are sure to only bring out the worst of extremes on both sides of the issue.
            Yes, it will only lend to radicalize those who would not otherwise be radical.

            But where are the police? Did city and county leaders allow this? Another "stand down" order?

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            "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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            • #21
              Originally posted by asterix View Post
              Very true. But if they wish to do so without encouraging more violent confrontations....they have to work better at controlling scenes like this:

              http://nypost.com/2017/08/15/officia...derate-statue/

              Such acts are sure to only bring out the worst of extremes on both sides of the issue.
              Agree completely. The United States is not Iraq, Russia, or eastern Europe.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                The difference is 'many national heroes...'. The statues of the rebel leadersare commemorate those who fought against and sought to destroy the US.
                Where do the "rebel" leaders say their aim was to destroy the US?
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                "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                  Where do the "rebel" leaders say their aim was to destroy the US?
                  Sometimes one is not required to say anything.....their actions alone spoke louder than words.
                  You'll live, only the best get killed.

                  -General Charles de Gaulle

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                    Yes, it will only lend to radicalize those who would not otherwise be radical.

                    But where are the police? Did city and county leaders allow this? Another "stand down" order?



                    I was wondering the same thing about the monument.
                    Usually when I try to pull down public monuments in broad daylight the police take notice.


                    And I agree, if whites constantly are told that racism against them is ok, eventually there will be push back. The solution to past racism is not different forms of racism.
                    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                    • #25
                      The monument came down in seconds. A protest was happening outside the building. A protester 'roped' the statue, the crowd pulled, it came down. Not like it took a couple minutes.

                      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...cklash/536889/

                      Around 7 p.m. Monday, a group of protesters, inspired by the violent riots over the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia, decided that if Durham County was in no hurry to take down the rebel soldier, they’d do so themselves. As Durham County commissioners met inside the building, which now houses county offices, a group of protesters wrapped a yellow rope around the statue and pulled. In what might seem a blunt metaphor for the fate of Confederate symbols in progressive Southern cities like Durham, the statue tumbled down with barely any effort, crumpling at the feet of its imposing granite pedestal.
                      Video looks like it took less than 20 seconds.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • #26
                        How many of these people were local?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                          Meanwhile in Durham, NC

                          If similar action was taken against the monument shown in the below attachment, I'm wondering what action(s) might be taken against the perpetrators by officialdom/law enforcement?

                          How would the media treat the incident I have postulated, as opposed to what I have seen, so far, about the vandalism that occurred in Durham NC?
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                          "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by At ease View Post
                            If similar action was taken against the monument shown in the below attachment, I'm wondering what action(s) might be taken against the perpetrators by officialdom/law enforcement?

                            How would the media treat the incident I have postulated, as opposed to what I have seen, so far, about the vandalism that occurred in Durham NC?
                            The particular attraction to which you refer, the Martin Luther King memorial in Washington DC, is administered by the National Park Service, so I believe that any attempt to deface or otherwise vandalize it will be treated as a Federal crime.
                            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                            • #29
                              What about this one?

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue...in_Seattle.jpg
                              You'll live, only the best get killed.

                              -General Charles de Gaulle

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by asterix View Post
                                That one needs to go! Mass murder, enslaved millions... Evil.

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