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  • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Then perhaps you'll explain it to me -- without omitting any of the pertinent facts.
    The South fought for States' Rights, not slavery.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
      Gone with the Wind now gone from the Orpheum in Memphis....

      http://www.localmemphis.com/news/loc...2018/798426608
      Gutless pukes...
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • Originally posted by Karri View Post
        In recent years there has been a lot of "slavery wasn't so bad" .
        In recent 150 years, I would say. It has been a part of the Dixie historical myth after all. Exemplified in such works of art as already mentioned "Gone with the wind".
        The other thing is that an all-out attack on South cultural identity doesn't promise anything good for United Stated and would most likely provoke a deep internal crisis.

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          The South fought for States' Rights, not slavery.
          He said without omitting facts. No cause to make up alt facts. The only States Rights was the ownership of slaves.

          purposeful Revisionist History contrary to known or certain facts
          FAQ / FORUM RULES
          Last edited by Half Pint John; 26 Aug 17, 14:17.
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras277...n.html#Georgia

            From Mississippi

            Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

            From Texas

            The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the [federal territories] as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions [editor's note: "unconstitutional restrictions" means the prohibition on slavery
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • Statue of rights leader rises as other icons fall in South

              ATLANTA (AP) — The sculpted clay was dry and the bronze would soon be cast, but artist Martin Dawe still found himself waking with a start before dawn, worried that he didn’t get the details of the famous man’s face exactly right.

              On Monday, Dawe will find out if he succeeded when officials unveil his statue of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. on the Georgia state Capitol’s grounds for the 54th anniversary of the March on Washington.

              Getting to this point was a three-year struggle over multiple hurdles. Officials had to negotiate with King’s family for the right to use his image. Then an artist was selected for the project, only to be killed in a motorcycle accident. After a lengthy screening, Dawe was chosen to replace him.

              Then came the artistic challenge.
              https://apnews.com/45cf0184529c4899a...-fall-in-South

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              • Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                In recent 150 years, I would say. It has been a part of the Dixie historical myth after all. Exemplified in such works of art as already mentioned "Gone with the wind".
                The other thing is that an all-out attack on South cultural identity doesn't promise anything good for United Stated and would most likely provoke a deep internal crisis.
                The problem there is that the "south cultural identity" is better defined as "white southern cultural identity", considering the large non-white populations in the south which are not so fond of the Confederacy and its attendant myths.

                But we've already seen the push back. Trump and the current GOP domination of the government was fueled in no small part by a surge in white voters feeling alienated by the current political system - left and right.

                Still, one could point to the upsurge in attempts to tear down the glorification of the Confederacy as just a predictable result of black political power maturing in the southern states.

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                • '''symbol of hate'''
                  de Blasio, BLM, etc---we can't take you seriously when you say EVERYTHING is hateful
                  white shoestrings
                  vanilla ice cream
                  oreo cookies
                  zebras
                  airplanes that are white
                  ordering German sauerkraut vs Mexican beans
                  ..all of the above are hateful..everything is hateful--
                  ----to some people!!!!
                  we have to change New York's name..I'm sure Charles II did something hateful

                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-may...lumbus-statue/
                  Last edited by Moulin; 26 Aug 17, 16:02.

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                  • “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

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                    • Purge Grants tomb...

                      Get a load of this...

                      NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Could Christopher Columbus and Ulysses S. Grant be purged from the streets of New York?
                      CBS2 Political Reporter Marcia Kramer said those questions are now being asked as Mayor Bill de Blasio seeks to remove ‘symbols of hate’ in a quest for political correctness.
                      The city’s 76 foot tall monument to explorer Christopher Columbus which sits in Columbus Circle could be considered for the chopping block, removed as part of the mayor’s new purge.
                      “He is a controversial figure, and I know that many people take offense to that, but for many of us who come from the Caribbean Islands we see him as a controversial figure,” Council Speaker Melissa Mark Viverito said. “We have to look at history. We have to look at it thoroughly and clearly.”
                      The council speaker said Columbus is just one of several things New York City should consider for the dust heap of history as part of the mayor’s 90 day review of monuments, statues, and other icons in the wake of the demonstrations by white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia.
                      A spokesperson said Viverito also thinks that Grant’s Tomb should be on the review list. Grant has been regarded by some as anti-Semitic.
                      “In 1862, he signed general order 11, expelling Jews from Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi. I wonder if you think that given the large number of Jewish, he should be buried in New York City,” CBS2’s Kramer asked the mayor.
                      “Marcia, I’m not familiar with that history. Obviously I take it very seriously, but I’m not familiar with it. We don’t tolerate anti-Semitism in New York City,” the mayor said. “We have to look at each one of these cases. We’ll have a commission. They’ll come up with some universal rules.”
                      The real question for the mayor as he hunts for political correctness is how far to go.
                      Assemblyman Dov Hikind put the bee in de Blasio’s bonnet in May when he asked him to remove plaques to Nazi sympathizers in the Canyon of Heroes.
                      “You can probably find something wrong with everyone in public life. That doesn’t mean they should be purged,” he said, “This is going to be fun to watch.”
                      So how far will the mayor go?
                      “We have not looked at this in a consistent basis. Let’s be clear about that Marcia, we are starting from scratch. I think a lot of history that needs to be re-evaluated went unspoken for a long time,” the mayor said, “And we’ve got to come up with some kind of standard for dealing with it.”
                      De Blasio was also asked about removing paintings from city hall, changing the names of schools and public buildings.
                      CBS2’s Kramer asked if the name New York City would be changed since it was named for the Duke of York; a slave trader.
                      His press secretary said he doubts the commission will put that idea on the table.


                      http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/08/...tatue-removal/
                      Credo quia absurdum.


                      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        The South fought for States' Rights, not slavery.
                        That's an eample of an commission. If the leaders of the Confederacy were motivated to secede solely by their desire to preserve states' rights, then how do you explain the fate of Patrick Cleburne's career?
                        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                        • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                          That's an eample of an commission. If the leaders of the Confederacy were motivated to secede solely by their desire to preserve states' rights, then how do you explain the fate of Patrick Cleburne's career?
                          Patrick Cleburne was not passed over for promotion because of his proposal. It was because he was part of the anti-Bragg faction and because he was Irish.
                          “I do not wish to have the slave emancipated because I love him, but because I hate his master."
                          --Salmon P. Chase

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                          • What's next book burnings?

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                            • Why? they've already purged most of the 'bad' books out of the libraries. (Out here at least...)

                              Try getting a copy of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Smith...
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                              • Originally posted by Savez View Post
                                Patrick Cleburne was not passed over for promotion because of his proposal. It was because he was part of the anti-Bragg faction and because he was Irish.
                                Considering the passion of the backlash against Cleburne's proposal, one must concede that it was more than Bragg's influence that iced the Irishman's career.
                                I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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