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  • Senate Votes to begin debate on Health Care bill

    Which bill no one knew when the vote was taken.

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-repeal-debate

    The Senate on Tuesday voted to begin debate on ObamaCare repeal legislation, a major step towards the goal of ending the health law.

    The motion was approved in a razor-thin 50-50 vote, with Vice President Pence breaking the tie.
    Funny thing is they will most likely NOT be voting on the bill that the Senate secret committee worked on and released, a couple times. Instead the first bill brought forward will be the House Bill past in March.

    The procedural motion technically brings the Senate to the House’s ObamaCare repeal and replace legislation, and in a highly unusual situation, it is unclear what will happen next.

    It is expected that the Senate will vote on a repeal-only measure, the latest version of the Senate replacement bill, and a significantly scaled-down measure known as a “skinny bill.”

    This “skinny bill,” is the newest option, with the idea being that if Republicans cannot agree on any more significant legislation, they can pass what they agree on and then go to a conference committee to negotiate with the House.
    The first two versions are expected to be defeated, the third is the desperation idea just publicly but forward the other day. All it will do is eliminate the individual mandate, the requirement for most employers to provide insurance and the medical device tax. ALL other Obamacare law will remain in place. The idea is to pass SOMETHING and get to a House/Senate conference committee where the 'real' work would begin all over......
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

  • #2
    Even if they pass a minimal bill, the problem remains that there are already 47 counties with no plan for the 2018 open season that starts in about 90 days (1 Nov), and there's the potential that that number could as much as triple or quadruple by then as some insurers haven't decided whether they'll stay in the program or not.

    For example, the entire state of Iowa my end up with no providers if Medica, the last one on the program pulls out.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...are/309955001/



    The yellow areas already have no provider for 2018, and the grey areas have just one... and many of those grey areas have a provider who's on the fence about continuing to provide coverage.

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    • #3
      'Don't take away our healthcare' says Trump country
      By Laura Bicker
      BBC News, Whitesburg, Kentucky

      "Other countries have done it. They've set the groundwork for us. We can take what they've done and use it and build on it to make it the best programme in the world.
      "That's why the United States is as strong as it is. We've always taken things and made them better. Why can't we take a healthcare product and make it better instead of fighting over it."

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40485357
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        What examples of America making stuff better?

        Is that the Hope, Change, or Wish?
        SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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        • #5
          Ask the Dr that's his opinion, not mine.
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            I guess from your post you didn't read a darn thing in the link.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Even if they pass a minimal bill, the problem remains that there are already 47 counties with no plan for the 2018 open season that starts in about 90 days (1 Nov), and there's the potential that that number could as much as triple or quadruple by then as some insurers haven't decided whether they'll stay in the program or not.

              For example, the entire state of Iowa my end up with no providers if Medica, the last one on the program pulls out.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...are/309955001/


              The yellow areas already have no provider for 2018, and the grey areas have just one... and many of those grey areas have a provider who's on the fence about continuing to provide coverage.
              And yet your party can't get it's 'stuff' together in order to stop this 'disaster' that you predict. Amazing is it not? 7 years and still no plan.
              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
              “To talk of many things:
              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
              Of cabbages—and kings—
              And why the sea is boiling hot—
              And whether pigs have wings.”
              ― Lewis Carroll

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              • #8
                So after opening up debate the Senate voted 43-57 AGAINST the Senate's painstakingly crafted bill of the summer. It actually needed 60 votes has the version voted on had two amendments that had not been scored by the CBO so it was not eligible for a 51 vote 'win'. The main amendment was the one by Sen Cruz allowing states to authorize insurance companies to sell stripped down coverage with high deductibles plans.

                So even if it had been scored and could have passed by 51 votes it fell 8 short of that mark.

                Continued failure of the GOP to keep a basic promise.

                Next up is a bill similar to the 2015 bill the senate overwhelmingly passed in 2015 and sent to then President Obama's desk. Now that it could become law, with approval of the US House of course, it will not pass.....
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                  I guess from your post you didn't read a darn thing in the link.

                  Wrong again. I was asking your opinion on what America 'made better'.

                  But... since you got mad at me this seems to be how it goes. I miss the old days talking with you.
                  SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dgfred View Post
                    Wrong again. I was asking your opinion on what America 'made better'.

                    But... since you got mad at me this seems to be how it goes. I miss the old days talking with you.
                    Well, to your question , what do we make BETTER? Perhaps aircraft and warships. Really most other things we have a lot of competition and a lot of our things are no long produced in the US. That being the case I cannot say what we make better today.
                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Which bill no one knew when the vote was taken.
                      Gee could that not be what the debate is for? Pretty much standard practice since the formation of the Republic.




                      Funny thing is they will most likely NOT be voting on the bill that the Senate secret committee worked on and released, a couple times. Instead the first bill brought forward will be the House Bill past in March.
                      Again, pretty much standard practice since the adoption of the Constitution.

                      Tuebor

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tuebor View Post
                        Gee could that not be what the debate is for? Pretty much standard practice since the formation of the Republic.




                        Again, pretty much standard practice since the adoption of the Constitution.

                        Tuebor
                        actually not. Repubilicans were suppose to go back to regular order which is not occurring

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by craven View Post
                          actually not. Repubilicans were suppose to go back to regular order which is not occurring
                          Good.

                          Tuebor

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            Even if they pass a minimal bill, the problem remains that there are already 47 counties with no plan for the 2018 open season that starts in about 90 days (1 Nov), and there's the potential that that number could as much as triple or quadruple by then as some insurers haven't decided whether they'll stay in the program or not.

                            For example, the entire state of Iowa my end up with no providers if Medica, the last one on the program pulls out.

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...are/309955001/



                            The yellow areas already have no provider for 2018, and the grey areas have just one... and many of those grey areas have a provider who's on the fence about continuing to provide coverage.
                            That's because nobody lives in those gray areas. It's not cost effective for FOR-PROFIT insurance companies to offer plans to counties with populations smaller than my hamlet.

                            So there's 2 choices:
                            1) Move. If you look at the map you will notice that many highly populated urban and suburban areas tend to offer several plans.

                            2) Universal health care. Take the for-profit insurance companies out of the equation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                              That's because nobody lives in those gray areas. It's not cost effective for FOR-PROFIT insurance companies to offer plans to counties with populations smaller than my hamlet.

                              So there's 2 choices:
                              1) Move. If you look at the map you will notice that many highly populated urban and suburban areas tend to offer several plans.

                              2) Universal health care. Take the for-profit insurance companies out of the equation.
                              That pretty much sums up how this going to work. If the Republicans keep this up they are going to be the guys who bring in the single payer system.

                              The current system is as good as it can get besides some tweaking if your goal is to get coverage and reduce cost

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