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  • Face scans for US citizens flying abroad stir privacy issues

    HOUSTON (AP) — If the Trump administration gets its way, U.S. citizens boarding international flights will have to submit to a face scan, a plan privacy advocates call a step toward a surveillance state.

    The Department of Homeland Security says it’s the only way to successfully expand a program that tracks nonimmigrant foreigners. They have been required by law since 2004 to submit to biometric identity scans — but to date have only had their fingerprints and photos collected prior to entry.

    Now, DHS says it’s finally ready to implement face scans on departure — aimed mainly at better tracking visa overstays but also at tightening security.

    It says it won’t keep the face scans of U.S. citizens, but privacy advocates are skeptical and say Homeland Security is overstepping its authority.
    https://apnews.com/acf6bab1f5ab4bc59...privacy-issues

  • #2
    Hell, the whole Homeland Security thing and the Patriot Act flies in the face of privacy issues, I don't like any of it, but if you young guys are willing to put up with it, that's ok, you will reap what you are willing to sow, if I were young again I damn sure wouldn't.
    Last edited by Trung Si; 12 Jul 17, 22:09.
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    • #3
      Such a shame that those who fought the hardest for the rights watch while others, who received those rights as a birthright, give them away.
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      • #4
        "It says it won’t keep the face scans of U.S. citizens."

        Yeah Right!

        Anyone know why every electronic activity of every US citizen, phone call conversation and text messages, electronic transaction such as credit card and debit card and membership club purchases, banking activity such as deposits and withdrawal, on line activity such as web surfing and postings and e-mail messages, GPS tracking of your movement via your newer car and cell phone, is being stored in those huge server databases in the NSA Cloud?

        Orwell's "1984" arrived long ago. The Feds will keep gaining ever tighter control of your money as we are pushed into that cashless society. They are already a constant threat to those individual, such as the Amish, or any other small business that deals in large amounts of cash on a regular basis. Ask anyone that works at a bank if you don't believe me.

        It is too late to stop it. Your privacy rights are now gone. Period!
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #5
          So, you go with jamming...



          or camouflage

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          • #6
            Make America Great Again? Nope, more business as usual. The invasion of our privacy will never stop until a real anti-establishment candidate is elected.
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

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            • #7
              oh isn't Obama using this to put people in FEMA camps

              oh wait he not prez anymore nvm

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              • #8
                Department of Homeland Security

                Patriot Act

                now this

                As Ron said

                Yeah Right/Non Progressive police state GOP

                They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #9
                  John, in spite of your beloved Democrats bitterly complaining when the Republicans expanded the program after 9-11, they fully embraced and expanded it under Obama.

                  Short of a civil war that destroys the nation into anarchy, the surveillance is never going away no matter which party is in control.
                  “Breaking News,”

                  “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                    John, in spite of your beloved Democrats bitterly complaining when the Republicans expanded the program after 9-11, they fully embraced and expanded it under Obama.

                    Short of a civil war that destroys the nation into anarchy, the surveillance is never going away no matter which party is in control.
                    That is because neither party has an interest in reducing it, and the people are content with it because of "safety", which is one of those hanging swords that everyone buys into whenever they feel it over them. Look at our current approach to "terrorism" and how terrified many people feel, above and beyond the real threat - thus, excessive actions are justified in the interest of making people feel safer.

                    And because it can be argued that these issues are a public safety matter, rejecting them is seen as enabling or abetting criminals - which isn't untrue. But that is part of the trade off: greater privacy protection helps the law abiding and the criminal alike.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                      John, in spite of your beloved Democrats bitterly complaining when the Republicans expanded the program after 9-11, they fully embraced and expanded it under Obama.

                      Short of a civil war that destroys the nation into anarchy, the surveillance is never going away no matter which party is in control.
                      Sorry Ron, never voted Dem except in some local election a long, long time ago.
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        That is because neither party has an interest in reducing it, and the people are content with it because of "safety", which is one of those hanging swords that everyone buys into whenever they feel it over them. Look at our current approach to "terrorism" and how terrified many people feel, above and beyond the real threat - thus, excessive actions are justified in the interest of making people feel safer.

                        And because it can be argued that these issues are a public safety matter, rejecting them is seen as enabling or abetting criminals - which isn't untrue. But that is part of the trade off: greater privacy protection helps the law abiding and the criminal alike.
                        it the hot potato syndrome no one wants to be the one left holding the potato incase of something bad occurring.

                        Just look at circular firing squad that accompanied 9-11 Clintons fault no Bushes blah blah blah

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                        • #13
                          They already have the database. The various agencies have been scanning us for years. New York has the highest number of surveillance cams anywhere - according to them - and if you think they haven't saved any of the faces they have recorded for future reference I'm will to sell you some ocean front property right here in the Rocky Mountains.

                          It's too late to undue the Big Brother State.


                          As for "jamming" or "camouflaging" one's face, I'll bet the person who does never gets entry to anything at all...ever, since this is a self-identifying tactic. Better off buying a really good latex facial mask.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            You know, a little of this on a long selfie stick (or the like) with a large Q-Tip at the end



                            Does wonders for camera lenses...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                              Also works fine during legislative tax sessions because you know you're going to get screwed...

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