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  • A fix for the opioid epidemic, Let addicts die.

    One politician believes this is the answer, it cost of saving addicts repeatedly is not viable,
    As heartless as that may sound, he does represent a small town that is going broke fighting the problem..
    [QUOTE]Under a plan by a city council member in Ohio, people who dial 911 seeking help for someone who's overdosing on opioids may start hearing something new from dispatchers: “No.”

    In response to the opioid epidemic that swept the nation — including the small city of Middletown, population 50,000 — council member Dan Picard has floated an idea that has been called more of “a cry of frustration” than a legitimate solution./QUOTE]

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-c...MiA?li=BBnbcA1
    Last edited by Urban hermit; 29 Jun 17, 10:09.
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    Works for me...

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    • #3
      Sell opiods, disregard problems, blame addicts and cartels; sound capitalism.
      Wisdom is personal

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      • #4
        How about if you can't afford children don't have them, if you didn't save for retirement then starve, if you don't wear a motorcycle helmet no insurance payments for head injury treatment, you smoke then no insurance payments for lung cancer, build a house in a flood plain no government help when it floods, no tax breaks for investments gone wrong, gamble in the market and lose then your bank or investment firm is extinct, don't want to work then you don't want to eat, get a degree in women's studies then don't expect help when you can't pay your student loans, don't want to serve in the military lose your citizenship, borrow more than you can afford no bankruptcy for you, over weight no insurance payments for diabetes, get lost pay for the cost of your rescue, can't pay your share of defense cut your welfare programs, want unlimited immigration house and feed them at your expense, the list is endless.

        The principal of moral hazards is probably too complex for our socialist friends to understand. None the less the principal of the bigotry of low expectations that applies to racism, sexism, and all the other fixations they have should by now be self evident. That said the evident and numerous unintended consequences of feminization expressed in the treatment of every failed group or individual as an infant, a state of mind formally known as pathological altruism, is clearly a contagious disease.
        Last edited by wolfhnd; 29 Jun 17, 01:28.
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Karri View Post
          Sell opiods (illegally), disregard problems, abuse them when legally prescribed blame addicts and cartels; sound capitalism.
          There... added the operative terms. Sounds more like a need for personal responsibility rather than the Socialist ideal that society is to blame rather than the individual.

          Socialism generally tries to protect the stupid from themselves. This is a mistake. In nature, stupid kills itself off strengthening the species. In Socialism, stupid is rewarded and protected making the species more prone to extinction.

          Capitalism + Individualism = Grizzly Bear

          Socialism + Collectivism = Dodo

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            There... added the operative terms. Sounds more like a need for personal responsibility rather than the Socialist ideal that society is to blame rather than the individual.

            Socialism generally tries to protect the stupid from themselves. This is a mistake. In nature, stupid kills itself off strengthening the species. In Socialism, stupid is rewarded and protected making the species more prone to extinction.

            Capitalism + Individualism = Grizzly Bear

            Socialism + Collectivism = Dodo
            Damn! Repped you too soon (on an earlier post I saw).

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            • #7
              And the opiod problem is only getting worse by the day. We're dealing with an epidemic of Fentanyl and Carfentanil laced heroin. We are at the point where you glove up before patting someone down, your NARCAN is to protect YOU first because accidentally bumping into some with your forearm can kill you, and you never test the stuff because you risk some of it becoming airborne and killing you.

              I've never seen a fatal overdose on the proper prescription....doctors generally get that right. Opiods have their place for high order pain management. And the issue we had with doctors prescribing them for everything has abated somewhat with the regulations on doctors and pharmacists due to rampant abuse. My best friend is a PA and they have become incredibly strict about prescribing opiods, which is a good thing.

              As to the point brought up by T.A.G, there's one additional bit:

              Protecting people from their bad decisions does not save them, it only creates an expectation of continued protection.

              I have personally narcan saved the same subject twice within 3 months from heroin overdose, agency total for him is 4 times. And he is the most ungrateful little $hit you've ever met.....that guy that you just want to punch in the face but don't because you have self control.

              Used to be, junkies knew that if they OD'ed they died. This was a discourager from people trying heroin. It was also an encourager for addicts to be extremely careful. They weighed that crap out, and so on. We got NARCAN on the streets to save junkies, got it taken out of 'prescription' status, and Overdoses have skyrocketed. People take MORE risks because there's a 'cure all'. One of my deputies got yelled at on an OD where she was clearly deceased to 'hit her with that narcan', her friend thought that it would bring her back.

              We've also seen a concurrent increase in property crime, larcenies, break ins, etc, as people have to pay for their habit. There is a joke around the community that detectives are pissed at patrol for getting so good at saving addicts, it increases their caseload.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • #8
                This is very close to where I currently live, and it is the "talk of the town" here. Incidentally, this morning's paper headline where I live is about INCREASING needle exchange programs because there are not enough. It may come as a surprise to many, but the worst of the problems is actually centered in our area...not the major metropolis areas of the East or West coasts one might expect.

                We call it the "Triangle". Draw a line from Columbus Ohio, to Indianapolis Indiana and then down Cincinnati Ohio, then back to Columbus Ohio....within the triangle is among the highest concentration of illegal garage labs, drug abuse, prostitution and incidentally....bedbugs.

                The medical costs are only one factor affecting the region....businesses are less likely to set up shop in areas that offer no skilled workers. In my town, we have a factory with high salaried jobs open for CNC operators, open now for almost 2 years...they cannot find anyone capable of passing a urine test. Schools and property values are also hit hard. There has also been a large increase in "hit-and-run" robberies related to the epidemic as well....also known as "smash-'n-grab".

                Obviously the current approach isn't working. Directly correlated, as of the past 5 years, we've begun to witness a rise...very small at first but growing...in acts of local vigilantism by residents who are fed up and afraid. What was previously thought as "turf wars" between drug dealers...some law enforcement are now beginning to suspect that locals are responsible for the deaths of suspected dealers and smugglers.

                Something will have to be done before this explodes.
                Last edited by asterix; 29 Jun 17, 08:18.
                You'll live, only the best get killed.

                -General Charles de Gaulle

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  There... added the operative terms. Sounds more like a need for personal responsibility rather than the Socialist ideal that society is to blame rather than the individual.

                  Socialism generally tries to protect the stupid from themselves. This is a mistake. In nature, stupid kills itself off strengthening the species. In Socialism, stupid is rewarded and protected making the species more prone to extinction.

                  Capitalism + Individualism = Grizzly Bear

                  Socialism + Collectivism = Dodo
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                    And the opiod problem is only getting worse by the day. We're dealing with an epidemic of Fentanyl and Carfentanil laced heroin.
                    That could kill most I imagine.

                    Why mix these three ? One would honestly be "better" off with pure heroine.
                    High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      There... added the operative terms. Sounds more like a need for personal responsibility rather than the Socialist ideal that society is to blame rather than the individual.

                      Socialism generally tries to protect the stupid from themselves. This is a mistake. In nature, stupid kills itself off strengthening the species. In Socialism, stupid is rewarded and protected making the species more prone to extinction.

                      Capitalism + Individualism = Grizzly Bear

                      Socialism + Collectivism = Dodo

                      It's like you're describing a liberal to me in your first example!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        Works for me...
                        +1!
                        Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          There... added the operative terms. Sounds more like a need for personal responsibility rather than the Socialist ideal that society is to blame rather than the individual.

                          Socialism generally tries to protect the stupid from themselves. This is a mistake. In nature, stupid kills itself off strengthening the species. In Socialism, stupid is rewarded and protected making the species more prone to extinction.

                          Capitalism + Individualism = Grizzly Bear

                          Socialism + Collectivism = Dodo
                          Like I said, sell opioids blame everyone else; sound capitalism.

                          Also, addiction has nothing to do with being stupid.

                          If you wanna talk about stupid: I posted an article regarding the opioid problem a while ago and it got a whopping one reply. Or, how about this: how stupid do you need to be to think that letting addicts die will solve the issue? I mean...think about it. Think twice. Think thrice. If you still didn't figure it out: as long as there are people there is a never ending supply of new addicts.
                          Last edited by Karri; 29 Jun 17, 10:27.
                          Wisdom is personal

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                          • #14
                            Why should we feel sorry for the "druggies"...nobody put a gun to their head and told them to start popping pills etc, we all got problems in life but dont start popping and everybody has to feel sorry for me...

                            Toulon France

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                            • #15
                              This epidemic for lack of a better word will touch every family if it hasn't already.
                              Just how much can be expected of first responders and hospital staff?
                              How do cities and counties pay for the treatment and services?
                              I saw a report last week that this is now the number one killer in the nation,
                              officers and medical staff exposed to this stuff have damn near died. It's being made in China, sold to Mexican cartels.
                              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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