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    Poll of rural Americans shows deep cultural divide with urban centers

    EXCERPT:
    The political divide between rural and urban America is more cultural than it is economic, rooted in rural residents’ deep misgivings about the nation’s rapidly changing demographics, their sense that Christianity is under siege and their perception that the federal government caters most to the needs of people in big cities, according to a wide-ranging poll that examines cultural attitudes across the United States.

    The Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation survey of nearly 1,700 Americans — including more than 1,000 adults living in rural areas and small towns — finds deep-seated kinship in rural America, coupled with a stark sense of estrangement from people who live in urban areas. Nearly 7 in 10 rural residents say their values differ from people who live in big cities, including about 4 in 10 who say their values are “very different.”
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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pol...jb6?li=BBnb7Kz
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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    The great American fallout: how small towns came to resent cities

    It’s no secret Donald Trump benefited from rural voters. But Democrat or Republican, they usually tell Katherine Cramer – who has spent a decade visiting residents of small-town Wisconsin – the same thing: it’s the cities that get all the breaks, and then have the gall to look down on them, too


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...lican-democrat
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    • #3
      Analysis | How many Americans truly hate the other political party? About 78 million.

      http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...jHr?li=BBnb7Kz
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • #4
        Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
        Analysis | How many Americans truly hate the other political party? About 78 million.
        Whoa....

        But this Summer won't be anything unusual, right?
        "Why is the Rum gone?"

        -Captain Jack

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        • #5
          Well, considering Independent / no party preference is now the largest voting bloc in America I think that says volumes about the two parties vying for power...

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          • #6
            Unfortunately it doesn't say enough because those two parties will always win.
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              Analysis | How many Americans truly hate the other political party? About 78 million.

              http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...jHr?li=BBnb7Kz
              Something I suspected for a long time and is quite honestly evident from reading political discussions among US Americans here.

              Binary politics and negative political advertising is destroying you as a nation.

              I spent 7 years on the ACG reading daily about how Obama was the spawn of the devil, he would "destroy America" and now six months of bitter complaints about how Trump is regarded as equal or worse by your opposite parts and more to come.

              It's insane - what did you expect ?

              What do you expect to happen in 4-8 years when you have another democratic president ?

              If you spend an entire election campaign chanting "lock her up" do you expect the opposition to *not* return the favour ?

              You have only two parties and they will alternate power, no other outcome is possible apparently.

              You can't even agree on basic facts anymore.

              Next summer is the least of your worries.
              Last edited by Snowygerry; 20 Jun 17, 08:58.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                Something I suspected for a long time and is quite honestly evident from reading political discussions among US Americans here.

                Binary politics and negative political advertising is destroying you as a nation.

                I spent 7 years on the ACG reading daily about how Obama was the spawn of the devil, he would "destroy America" and now six months of bitter complaints about how Trump is regarded as equal or worse by your opposite parts and more to come.

                It's insane - what did you expect ?

                What do you expect to happen in 4-8 years when you have another democratic president ?

                If you spend an entire election campaign chanting "lock her up" do you expect the opposition to *not* return the favour ?

                You have only two parties and they will alternate power, no other outcome is possible apparently.

                You can't even agree on basic facts anymore.

                Next summer is the least of your worries.
                Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                • #9
                  Poll: Americans say U.S. political debate is increasingly uncivil

                  EXCERPT:
                  ...
                  But importantly, Americans draw some distinctions between the political debate they decry, and the people themselves that hold opposing views. Most Republicans do not think of Democrats as threats to their way of life, but merely as people they disagree with on politics. Likewise, most Democrats feel the same about Republicans in this regard. There is a small core in each party, who do see other Americans across the political divide as threats to their way of life -- but they are not the majority.

                  ...
                  Given this, optimism still prevails, though not by a landslide. More believe that people of different political views are capable of working together than are pessimistic about the prospects.

                  ...
                  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-ame...ingly-uncivil/


                  Ever the marxist-socialist, comrade Bernie feeds the fire ...
                  Sanders: Act in “Unprecedented” Ways, Fight Back in Every Way That You Can

                  http://ntknetwork.com/sanders-act-in...-that-you-can/


                  Of course, we see many variations of "outside influence" as well ...
                  EXCLUSIVE: Soros, Clinton-Linked Teneo Among Donors to McCain Institute

                  EXCERPT:
                  ...
                  Critics worry that the institute’s donors and McCain’s personal leadership in the organization’s exclusive “Sedona Forum” bear an uncanny resemblance to the glitzy Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) that annually co-mingled special interests and powerful political players in alleged pay-to-play schemes.
                  The institute has accepted contributions of as much as $100,000 from billionaire liberal activist-funder George Soros and from Teneo, a for-profit company co-founded by Doug Band, former President Bill Clinton’s “bag man.” Teneo has long helped enrich Clinton through lucrative speaking and business deals.
                  And Bloomberg reported in 2016 on a $1 million Saudi Arabian donation to the institute, a contribution the McCain group has refused to explain publicly.
                  ...
                  http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/19/ex...ain-institute/
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                    Something I suspected for a long time and is quite honestly evident from reading political discussions among US Americans here.

                    Binary politics and negative political advertising is destroying you as a nation.

                    I spent 7 years on the ACG reading daily about how Obama was the spawn of the devil, he would "destroy America" and now six months of bitter complaints about how Trump is regarded as equal or worse by your opposite parts and more to come.

                    It's insane - what did you expect ?

                    What do you expect to happen in 4-8 years when you have another democratic president ?

                    If you spend an entire election campaign chanting "lock her up" do you expect the opposition to *not* return the favour ?

                    You have only two parties and they will alternate power, no other outcome is possible apparently.

                    You can't even agree on basic facts anymore.

                    Next summer is the least of your worries.
                    Our system - the Constitution - didn't start out to be "binary" it evolved that way. For that matter, our current political parties also evolved out of the process. Their current manifestation reflects the polar nature of our society and perhaps humans in general.

                    On one side, the Left/Democrats, they view "Guv'mint" as a solution to all problems, real or imagined, and a process with unlimited funds, hence our current Deficit and Debt funding. When BHO took office our National debt was just over $10 trillion and that was about 200 years in the making. When BHO left office that had nearly doubled to just shy of $20 Trillion! Much of this is because of the "screw the Rich" and take from them to give to "us" attitude of our Left; whom in most cases haven't earned it, don't have a Right to it, and don't deserve it.

                    Aside from a drag upon capital for economic growth, this is a burden upon future generations. One item I find disturbing is how few on this forum understand or appreciate basic economics and the danger possed by Deficit and Debt.

                    The other side, the Conservatives/Republicans, nominally hold to Founding Principles that government should be as small as possible and be fiscally responsible, operate within a budget matched to fair revenues/taxes. They also believe in Free Enterprise and that producers have a right to keep the bulk of the wealth they create within legal means and proportional to their labors and investment in creating that wealth.

                    So we have two opposed views on life, economics, society, and government where there appears to be little middle ground. Meanwhile, in a land area as large as Europe and with "50 States" we haven't had a major war between those State in about 150+ years. We can't quite say the same for Europe.

                    When the USA was founded, most of Europe was still living with much to most of it's ruling by Royalty, doing a haphazard transition to some form of popular election and rule. Case could be made that the formation of the USA accelerated this transition in Europe's nations.

                    Still, Europe's systems have their own flaws. Not so many decades ago a political party that barely gained one-third of the votes came to dominate a major nation/power and lead the world into War. Pretty hard for such to happen over here. Then again there is also the matter of Debt. Your Nation for example is carrying about four times it GDP in debt and that will impact in your future and be a burden upon your future generations.

                    Here's a link to some figures on that;
                    http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

                    BTW, this divide we have over here isn't new. Been around for decades or longer.
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      Our system - the Constitution - didn't start out to be "binary" it evolved that way. For that matter, our current political parties also evolved out of the process. Their current manifestation reflects the polar nature of our society and perhaps humans in general.

                      On one side, the Left/Democrats, they view "Guv'mint" as a solution to all problems, real or imagined, and a process with unlimited funds, hence our current Deficit and Debt funding. When BHO took office our National debt was just over $10 trillion and that was about 200 years in the making. When BHO left office that had nearly doubled to just shy of $20 Trillion! Much of this is because of the "screw the Rich" and take from them to give to "us" attitude of our Left; whom in most cases haven't earned it, don't have a Right to it, and don't deserve it.

                      Aside from a drag upon capital for economic growth, this is a burden upon future generations. One item I find disturbing is how few on this forum understand or appreciate basic economics and the danger possed by Deficit and Debt.

                      The other side, the Conservatives/Republicans, nominally hold to Founding Principles that government should be as small as possible and be fiscally responsible, operate within a budget matched to fair revenues/taxes. They also believe in Free Enterprise and that producers have a right to keep the bulk of the wealth they create within legal means and proportional to their labors and investment in creating that wealth.

                      So we have two opposed views on life, economics, society, and government where there appears to be little middle ground. Meanwhile, in a land area as large as Europe and with "50 States" we haven't had a major war between those State in about 150+ years. We can't quite say the same for Europe.

                      When the USA was founded, most of Europe was still living with much to most of it's ruling by Royalty, doing a haphazard transition to some form of popular election and rule. Case could be made that the formation of the USA accelerated this transition in Europe's nations.

                      Still, Europe's systems have their own flaws. Not so many decades ago a political party that barely gained one-third of the votes came to dominate a major nation/power and lead the world into War. Pretty hard for such to happen over here. Then again there is also the matter of Debt. Your Nation for example is carrying about four times it GDP in debt and that will impact in your future and be a burden upon your future generations.

                      Here's a link to some figures on that;
                      http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

                      BTW, this divide we have over here isn't new. Been around for decades or longer.
                      It's my view that neither the liberal nor conservative positions as you describe them are viable. We in the US need a centrist middle ground ... an Emmanuel Macron of our own. The 1787 era view of the role of government as pushed by conservatives is woefully out of place when confronted with the realities of 2017, and so is the "tax the rich" and "let creepy men into girls bathrooms" mentality of liberals.

                      For starters, conservatives are going to have to make peace with government involvement in healthcare, the economy, regulations, etc. Liberals are going to have to drop the weirdo stuff. Lastly, people in the South and in rural areas are going to have to accept that they are not the "real Americans" and arbitrator of anything and everything "American".

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                        It's my view that neither the liberal nor conservative positions as you describe them are viable. We in the US need a centrist middle ground ... an Emmanuel Macron of our own. The 1787 era view of the role of government as pushed by conservatives is woefully out of place when confronted with the realities of 2017, and so is the "tax the rich" and "let creepy men into girls bathrooms" mentality of liberals.

                        For starters, conservatives are going to have to make peace with government involvement in healthcare, the economy, regulations, etc. Liberals are going to have to drop the weirdo stuff. Lastly, people in the South and in rural areas are going to have to accept that they are not the "real Americans" and arbitrator of anything and everything "American".
                        What I described are the nominal or "ideal"/ideologies of the two poles, which are rather strongly entrenched. Have been for decades and likely will continue for some time. Examining the range of "third parties" shows that the middle ground here is varied and likely not to find a large traction needed to contest the two main parties.

                        Part of the challenge is that not only has technology, industry, and economics grown beyond the visions of the 1787 Founders, but also the Executive Branch has expanded in size, scope, and powers not anticipated back then. Nearly half our population lives off a check from "Guv'mint" and basic economics would suggest that is not sustainable in any long run.

                        The Constitution specifies that the Legislative is the one to make Laws, but with the growth in number, size and powers of various Executive Departments and Agencies, whom make regulations, we hve a defacto case where Laws are made by those whom aren't elected and often barely accountable to the Citizens/Voters/Taxpayers. For an example, in preserving it's existence and budget/staff, the EPA has gone to setting standards that are more stringent than natural background levels, reaching new absurdities that counter reason or logic. The issue isn't one of regulation in general, but one of how much is too much?

                        It also doesn't help when issues are blurred by non specific language. Take "healthcare" as an example;

                        "Health Care" is the individual's actions and lifestyle that affect their health, caring for their health. If someone eats too much, doesn't exercise enough, smokes or drinks alcohol to excess and then has problems with their health, why is this the fault or obligation for me or other taxpayers to pay for?

                        "Medical Care" is what one gets when their health care/caring for their health doesn't work, or they have accident or inadvertant disease, but this is sparate from "caring for one's health"=healthcare.

                        "Medical Insurance" is like any other insurance, a risk pool paid for by those willing to participate and based upon lifestyle and risk factors. Like any insurance it should be variable in coverage and costs, paid for by users and provided via private enterprise. Other than basic consumer protection regulations, the Guv'mint should not be in this sector of the economy as a provider.

                        Government involvement is one thing and been there to some degree from the beginning. The problems arrive when some expect a LARGE role or control from the Guv'mint, which such isn't mandated by our Constitution or decades old customs.

                        So if ... "Lastly, people in the South and in rural areas are going to have to accept that they are not the "real Americans" and arbitrator of anything and everything "American" aren't, than whom is???

                        Many of us "rural" are the ones growing the crops and working the land to feed the "urban", getting the dirt and manure under our fingernails, so why shouldn't we have a say in what happens out here in the country? Why should "city slickers" tell us how to sustain the land we work when all they do is pound the pavement?

                        BTW, that "in the South" sounds borderline "racist".
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                          Unfortunately it doesn't say enough because those two parties will always win.
                          Because they take pains to insure that they are the ONLY two parties we have.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Because they take pains to insure that they are the ONLY two parties we have.
                            Yea, but...



                            so...



                            It's very likely that's what it's really coming to.

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                            • #15
                              Generally speaking, urban/city populations tend to turn over frequently and to be highly mobile, and a move to another part of the city is the same as moving out of state for all practical purposes.

                              Small towns in the country, however, tend to be more stable, more long term and therefore more cohesive. The pace is slower and less stressful in the country, too. In the cities, it's too much of everything: too crowded, too noisy, too much traffic, too hard to park, too much crime, you name it.

                              When Pax and I go to town we know a lot of the people we meet, and that's the norm. We have also gotten to know the various personnel at the businesses, stores and restaurants that we frequent. After all, Pax and her family grew up in town, and that makes for a totally different outlook on what the city politicians think might be important.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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