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  • #61
    Latest headlines from Drudge on Progressives failure to condemn violence.
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    “Breaking News,”

    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
      I see, I'll try to limit my mockery then,

      it is not my intention to upset anyone here, and to me these political discussions are enjoyable and often informative , which is all they are really intended to be.
      I started out that way, and I used to try hard to find common ground and stop the angst between Left and Right... until I discovered that it was not possible.
      Totally imposible, in fact. Politics, which I had considered a peripheral item, became the most important (and therefore the most divisive) issue in the minds of practically everyone alive today.
      Maybe I think too much, but that was one of the most grotesque discoveries of my life.

      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
      I do not share your apocalyptic world view though, I fear the times we're living through are, from an historical perspective, more peaceful and from a political pov., more moderate, then any that came before.
      Apocalyptic?
      Okay, more on that later.

      At the moment, yes, but it feels like the calm before the storm to me.
      Did you happen to see the post at the top of this page?
      Chilling, isn't it?
      And as a rural American I have been watching as the Govt, with the snarky approval of the urban hive-dwellers, do all it can to destroy my way of life and that of the people living around me.
      And then there is the notion that 78 million people in my country "hate" the members of the other party.
      I wonder what the stats were right before the Spanish Civil War began.



      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
      The events we fuss about here, will not even show up in history 100, 500, or a thousand years from now.
      Hell, the way things are going, I'm just hoping that more than 1% of the population 1,000 years from now will be able to read about what happened now.

      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
      I fear that's the main difference, you are a very young nation, no insult intended, you've had a few wars, one civil war, an era of colonisation and that's it, you're just starting out and many things are still to happen, none of these will mean the "end of your civilisation", although it may be the end of a world you knew and grew up in.

      That's pretty much what every human individual experiences as he gets older, and has been documented since Ancient times.
      Hold on there....
      I know the kind of jerk you are talking about. They just complain about the now and rant on about the "Good old Days"... and they can't deal with change.
      Damn, change is what I have been dying for, for decades now.

      The scumbags that grab a gun and go out to kill a bunch of random people are admitting they can't deal with the real world, and are entirely worthless to it. Losers, in the most total sense of the word.

      Civilization is a delicate thing depending on many widely scattered parts. When any one thing isn't working the way it should, from a power relay to the supply of Corn Syrup, things start to go haywire.
      What do you think will be the result of our Colleges mass-producing these violence-prone morons?

      And that's another thing; I have no patience with people who denigrate young people simply for being young and different from them. I defend them and I honestly think that they are capable of rising to meet challenges that you and I can't even imagine.
      It may even be inevitable that they will have to, someday soon.
      However... when places like Berkeley and Evergreen are turning 20% of them into vicious brats that creatures like Soros can make the most malicious use of, I think it is time to be a little concerned.... right?

      Or maybe I should just blow it all off and go Hermit.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_U...eature=related



      I guess that one will look a bit hokey, what with minorities celebrating being American instead of hating it... but it was only made about 15 years ago.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
        (...)
        Totally imposible, in fact. Politics, which I had considered a peripheral item, became the most important (and therefore the most divisive) issue in the minds of practically everyone alive today.
        Maybe I think too much, but that was one of the most grotesque discoveries of my life.
        You mean on the internet ?

        Surely not in your daily life ? Over here it's an item of much discussion, in cafes, at family dinners etc. it's not something private individuals fall out over though, I don't even know who my family members vote for nor I do I particularly care

        We do have do have a very I degree of political participation though, I believe 1 in 400 Belgians is an elected member of one assembly or another, maybe that makes a difference ?


        And then there is the notion that 78 million people in my country "hate" the members of the other party ?
        I wonder what the stats were right before the Spanish Civil War began.
        The stats of the various Spanish factions and how much they "hated" each other ?

        Well Catholics no doubt hated the Communists, and a Nationalist will hate a Socialist, and so on, that's just the nature of things.

        Civil wars don't start because people "hate" each other though...that usually results in private (political) murder.

        I do know from people who lived through the 30s in Belgium the Communists were regarded as a much greater threat than the Nationalists, by the Catholic Church in particular, the Nazis in this context were regarded as a useful counter to them, Jews didn't even figure in this calculation.

        You can look at your own civil war for comparison, the people in the South presumably didn't "hate" the people from the North, or vice versa, before the war started, nevertheless they would be killing each other soon, and with a passion
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        • #64
          I went with Open Warfare because it amused me the most.

          But in all seriousness... no. No no no. Predictions of doom and gloom, mass violence and popular upheaval, are all too common - especially when fed on a diet of Internet hysteria. This sort of thing has been predicted dozens of times before, and they always fizzle and are ignored later on.

          There is no major call to action. There is no nation-wide cause to take up arms. At worst - worst! - you could have a terrorist attack or local unrest like a riot if there is a spark (Ferguson-style), but that is all.

          I'm going to be generous here and allow that some major unforeseen event could always cause violence and chaos, but since they are unpredictable, they're a non-factor.

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          • #65
            This violent summer started on 9 november 2016

            We have seen attacks on the First Lady, on the children of the president, threats to the Grand Electors, exhortations to murder the president,exhortations to kill Republicans, attempt to murder a Republican, appeals for a coup d'état, but you ain't seen nothing yet : the worst has still to come .

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            • #66
              Originally posted by ljadw View Post
              This violent summer started on 9 november 2016

              We have seen attacks on the First Lady, on the children of the president, threats to the Grand Electors, exhortations to murder the president,exhortations to kill Republicans, attempt to murder a Republican, appeals for a coup d'état, but you ain't seen nothing yet : the worst has still to come .
              When and in what form? I'd like a timeline and guidelines so we can accurately prove or disprove this theory. How about if there isn't a civil war by Summer, 2018, this idea is debunked and we can have everyone who supported it admit it was overblown alarmist rhetoric from the beginning? Likewise, if a civil war does break out in the next year, those who poo-pooed the "alarmists" will instead lauded for their perceptive abilities and finer grasp of the American political landscape.

              Sounds fair to me. Everyone agreed?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                This violent summer started on 9 november 2016

                We have seen attacks on the First Lady, on the children of the president, threats to the Grand Electors, exhortations to murder the president,exhortations to kill Republicans, attempt to murder a Republican, appeals for a coup d'état, but you ain't seen nothing yet : the worst has still to come .
                Yes, we have all seen that, but let's not go too far off track here... and yes, I know I started it.

                But this thread is just about this Summer, and the poll will close on July 4th.
                I don't think Civil War is possible by 21 Sept, and surely not by Labor Day... that is the day Summer symbolically over here in the US.

                I think I'll just kick back and watch the arguments for a while, seeing what you folks have to say is the real reason I started it.

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                • #68
                  At least , if there's a civil war , you've got all the weapons you need for doing a pretty decent job.
                  That rug really tied the room together

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                    At least , if there's a civil war , you've got all the weapons you need for doing a pretty decent job.
                    That's actually why our system is better. No one really wants one. The left may posture but really? Aint gonna happen unless the grid breaks down, when that happens and it will. One asteroid, or crazy kim could end the happy ride we've been having.
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                      That's actually why our system is better.
                      Nooooo!Mine is better !!!
                      That rug really tied the room together

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                        That's actually why our system is better. No one really wants one. The left may posture but really? Aint gonna happen unless the grid breaks down, when that happens and it will. One asteroid, or crazy kim could end the happy ride we've been having.
                        Again, that's why the idea of mass violence on a national scale is absurd. There is no mass call for armed rebellion. It's not the 1860s. There is a lot of rhetoric, and with our increased population and greater awareness of the world, every nut case gets national exposure, but there isn't a body of powerful political entities pushing for conflict.

                        At worst - worst - we might see a riot, but barring the unpredictable extreme events (your asteroid) there is no chance for civil war. Even Trump being assassinated wouldn't cause it.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                          Again, that's why the idea of mass violence on a national scale is absurd. There is no mass call for armed rebellion. It's not the 1860s. There is a lot of rhetoric, and with our increased population and greater awareness of the world, every nut case gets national exposure, but there isn't a body of powerful political entities pushing for conflict.

                          At worst - worst - we might see a riot, but barring the unpredictable extreme events (your asteroid) there is no chance for civil war. Even Trump being assassinated wouldn't cause it.
                          One big damper that doesn't get mentioned in Civil War 2.0 alarmism is how back in the 1860s you have locally raised culturally homogenous armies who saw themselves as loyal to their state first (even in Union territory). Now you have diverse armies with companies filled from all 50 states. That makes it a whole heck of a lot harder for the army to factionalize. And that puts a bigger damper on organized carnage.
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                          • #73
                            My question...Who is fighting whom? Here I only hear the nonsense from our Radical Right members.
                            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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