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  • Trump Shifting Authority Over Military Operations Back to Pentagon

    Apparently, the lack of micro managment of the military by Trump is threatening to the liberals....
    Read the two ways the same story is reported
    WASHINGTON óTrump Shifting Authority Over Military Operations Back to Pentagon
    President Trump is shifting more authority over military operations to the Pentagon, according to White House officials, reversing what his aides and some generals say was a tendency by the Obama White House to micromanage issues better left to military commanders.

    The change is at the heart of a re-engineering of the National Security Councilís role under its new leader, Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, and reflects Mr. Trumpís belief that the N.S.C. should focus less on military operations and tactics and more on strategic issues. A guiding precept for the president and his team is that the balance of power in the world has shifted against American interests, and that General McMaster should focus on developing foreign and economic policy options in concert with the Pentagon, State Department and other agencies to respond to that challenge.
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    The new approach to managing military operations was evident this month when a Marine artillery battery and a team of Army Rangers ó some 400 troops in all ó arrived in northern Syria. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis signed off on the deployments and notified the White House. But General McMaster neither convened a meeting at the White House to discuss whether to send the forces nor presented the Pentagon with questions about where, precisely, the troops would operate or what risks they might confront.

    Though the streamlined decision-making has been welcomed by many in the military, it could raise questions about whether Mr. Trump, who has drawn heavily from current and former generals to fill key jobs in his administration, is exercising sufficient oversight.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/19/u...agon.html?_r=0

    The Left will never stop attacking Trump, so should we even pay any attention to them anymore?

    Trump doesn't micromanage the military - but that could backfire.
    President George W. Bush spoke with his military commander in Iraq nearly every week.

    President Obama was so deeply involved in military operations that his first three Defense secretaries all complained, sometimes bitterly, about what they considered White House micromanagement.

    In nearly five months in office, President Trump has yet to meet or speak with either his Iraq or Afghanistan commander, even as his administration weighs deeper and longer-term involvement in both conflicts and asks Congress for a vast increase in defense spending.

    Trumpís hands-off approach to Americaís longest wars demonstrates how much control his administration has entrusted to Defense Secretary James N. Mattis, a retired four-star Marine general, and commanders on the ground.
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...602-story.html
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  • #2
    About damn time. We don't need the President making tactical battlefield decisions like it's been lately.

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    • #3
      Presidents should tell the generals what he wants done and then leave them to do it.

      Pruitt
      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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      • #4
        The new approach to managing military operations...
        Since when were successful military operations "managed" and not led...?

        President Obama was so deeply involved in military operations that his first three Defense secretaries all complained, sometimes bitterly, about what they considered White House micromanagement.
        And, that's why Obama wasn't a military leader or particularly successful in this aspect of his time in office...

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        • #5
          Yeah, Donald Trump the "hands off" military president. Then why is he meddling in the AF1, Ford CVN and F35 procurements?

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          • #6
            Trump apparently has taken the approach that tactical decisions are up to the generals.
            Strategic decisions ? Probably more of a hands on approach as he gets his feet under him.
            Obama seldom did what his military advisors suggested, but the way things are it doesn't matter what he does.
            Let the professionals do thier job.
            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
              Yeah, Donald Trump the "hands off" military president. Then why is he meddling in the AF1, Ford CVN and F35 procurements?
              Those are different. AF 1 is his personal plane. I think he gets a say there. Procurement, for better or worse, has long been the purview of Congress and Presidents. Jefferson was all for a "Gunboat navy." FDR regularly got involved in ship design and acquisition. That's how we ended up with the Alaska class large cruisers. That's two examples.

              What Trump is doing is getting out of the management of tactical actions business. It took Obama's personal okay to launch the Bin Laden raid. No reason that should have been necessary. Bill Clinton got involved in minute decision making in Somalia. LBJ made horrible personal decisions about the Vietnam war.
              Lincoln stayed out of his general's battlefield business as long as they were winning. He fired them when they wouldn't (McClellan) or couldn't (Burnside) fight and win.

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              • #8
                Trump won't even be around when the new AF1 747-8 is delivered. Besides, it's the only plane that can do the job and is American made.

                PS- TAG, are you saying that the USS Alaska was a good thing? I think it's an example of why politicians shouldn't get involved in ship design. Same thing with Churchill and his "large cruisers" for his Baltic nightmare.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                  Trump won't even be around when the new AF1 747-8 is delivered. Besides, it's the only plane that can do the job and is American made.

                  PS- TAG, are you saying that the USS Alaska was a good thing? I think it's an example of why politicians shouldn't get involved in ship design. Same thing with Churchill and his "large cruisers" for his Baltic nightmare.
                  No, the Alaska's were a mistake, but one that FDR pushed on the Navy. Politicians don't always get it right. But, it's where they should have some say in what's being made.

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                  • #10
                    The Alaskas were built to compete with a Japanese design the Admirals were worried about. Then the Japanese did not build them! We might have been better off if we had converted them to Super Aircraft Carriers like the Shinano was converted?

                    Pruitt
                    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                      The Alaskas were built to compete with a Japanese design the Admirals were worried about. Then the Japanese did not build them! We might have been better off if we had converted them to Super Aircraft Carriers like the Shinano was converted?

                      Pruitt
                      No. Conversions are never as good as purpose-built ships. We already had the Essex-class in the pipeline. The Japanese, with their limited shipbuilding capacity and scarcity of materials, had no choice. As far as them being "super carriers", they would have been slightly smaller than an Essex.

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                      • #12
                        Actually I would have liked to see it tried with these ships. A conversion would have been comparable to a Midway and a lot of steel armor would have been saved. It is not as if we got a lot of return out of these ships anyway.

                        Pruitt
                        Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                        Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                        by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                          The Alaskas were built to compete with a Japanese design the Admirals were worried about. Then the Japanese did not build them! We might have been better off if we had converted them to Super Aircraft Carriers like the Shinano was converted?

                          Pruitt
                          With some degree of forward vision, the hulls could have been placed aside in a completed fashion to allow their conversion to missile cruisers in the mid to late 50's as part of the ongoing Projects Bumblebee (became the Talos SAM) and Typhoon (eventually became Aegis).

                          This would allow the USN to build an improved and not so crowded and grotesque missile cruiser...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                            Actually I would have liked to see it tried with these ships. A conversion would have been comparable to a Midway and a lot of steel armor would have been saved. It is not as if we got a lot of return out of these ships anyway.

                            Pruitt
                            There was a war going on. There wasn't time for one-off experiments. Think of all the engineers and draftsmen it would have taken to redesign them. Their design was already finalized.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              Apparently, the lack of micro managment of the military by Trump is threatening to the liberals....
                              Read the two ways the same story is reported

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/19/u...agon.html?_r=0

                              The Left will never stop attacking Trump, so should we even pay any attention to them anymore?


                              http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...602-story.html
                              Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Now, let's see if the Donald takes it a step further and moves away from that "embedded reporter" idea. Freedom of the press is great, but it's applicable within the borders of the USA and its territories. Reporters tagging along with military units during military operations are nothing but a "security violation."


                              A security violation is any knowing, willing or negligent action that could reasonably be expected to result in an unauthorized disclosure of classified information.

                              Reporting a Security Violation

                              https://www.dm.usda.gov/ohsec/pdsd/R...yViolation.pdf
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