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    Sanders has come out of the shadows, we knew he was a socialist, but who knew he was a anti Christian?
    He has declared that anyone who believes in Christ is unfit to hold a position in the Presidents cabinet,
    The final assault on the traditional American values has begun. Good bye America, you were once a blessed nation.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont this week lambasted one of President Donald Trump's budget nominees over a post he wrote last year that discussed Christianity and Islam.

    As Russell Vought, Trump's pick for deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget, appeared before the Senate Budget Committee for a confirmation hearing Wednesday, Sanders doggedly questioned him about a January 2016 post he had published by conservative outlet The Resurgent.
    In the post, Vought wrote about a controversy involving a professor at his alma mater, Wheaton College.

    "Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned," Vought wrote.

    Sanders – an independent who last year ran for the Democratic presidential nomination and who serves as the committee's ranking member – asked Vought whether he thought the post was Islamophobic. Vought said no and attempted to defend his writing against Sanders' repeated questions, stating, "I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith."
    https://www.usnews.com/news/national...hristian-faith
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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    You can't be a dyed in the wool Socialist / Communist without renouncing religion. Religion puts many decisions and Rights out of the hands of government and the state. Since everything in Socialism or its more virulent cousin, Communism, flows from the state to the people, religion is competition. And, we all know how much government and the state hate competition...

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    • #3
      I didn't see anywhere in the article where he said anything anti-Christian. He was chiding the person for being pro-Christian and anti-Jewish/Muslim.

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      • #4
        UH needs to both read more carefully and interpret information correctly and not grandstand with more BS.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Anyone who is Christian, Muslim, Jewish...must defend the 3 religions of Abraham... I never supported Sanders and if its true Sanders wants no politicians to be Christians then Sanders needs to be removed from office.

          The true values of liberalism are found in the French revolution which saw French Catholics fight for the universal rights of man as envisioned by God.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • #6
            Might as well elect only atheists and agnostics.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
              I didn't see anywhere in the article where he said anything anti-Christian. He was chiding the person for being pro-Christian and anti-Jewish/Muslim.
              The senator is also not without his supporters. Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., reportedly defended him during the hearing. And Michael Stone, writing at Progressive Secular Humanist, called Sanders "a hero for openly challenging the bigotry and prejudice of Christian extremists being nominated to serve in key government positions."

              Meanwhile, Vought awaits potential confirmation, but it's not likely he will receive support from Sanders.

              "I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is really not someone who is what this country is supposed to be about," Sanders said during the committee hearing. "I will vote no."
              I get it, if you are not a "Progressive Secular Humanist" don't apply....
              Christian values stand in the way of the pro anything goes philosophy of the rainbow and snowflake coalition.
              Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                I didn't see anywhere in the article where he said anything anti-Christian. He was chiding the person for being pro-Christian and anti-Jewish/Muslim.
                ... so, you don't see any connection there?

                Everything in the Media (except maybe the Hallmark channel and Fox) always shows Christians as bad guys and Moslems as poor misunderstood "Minority" types (all 1.5 Billion of them) that just have a perfectly understandable penchant for violence against all things Western.
                We are advised to just bend over and take it by the Left because maybe perhaps possible one of our great-great-great-GREAT Grand-Daddys might have been mean to one of them.

                My question is, what does the far-Left see in the Muslims that makes them seem so useful to them?
                Muslims might want to ask themselves the same question.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  I get it, if you are not a "Progressive Secular Humanist" don't apply....
                  Christian values stand in the way of the pro anything goes philosophy of the rainbow and snowflake coalition.
                  Coming from a guy that's crying over something that was never said. Dry your tears, he never said nor implied that Christians are unfit.

                  And American values are based in part in the separation of Church and state, not Christianity. So leave the Bible out of politics if you truly care about American values.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                    I get it, if you are not a "Progressive Secular Humanist" don't apply....
                    Christian values stand in the way of the pro anything goes philosophy of the rainbow and snowflake coalition.
                    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                    ... so, you don't see any connection there?

                    Everything in the Media (except maybe the Hallmark channel and Fox) always shows Christians as bad guys and Moslems as poor misunderstood "Minority" types (all 1.5 Billion of them) that just have a perfectly understandable penchant for violence against all things Western.
                    We are advised to just bend over and take it by the Left because maybe perhaps possible one of our great-great-great-GREAT Grand-Daddys might have been mean to one of them.
                    My question is, what does the far-Left see in the Muslims that makes them seem so useful to them?
                    Muslims might want to ask themselves the same question.
                    You poor little picked on Christians...all 80% of you. You just don't get what he was saying, do you? The nominee was saying that Muslims don't believe in Christ and he wondered about that. Sanders was just replying that Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ either, so did he apply the same standards to them. Y'all need to read up on religions and their beliefs.
                    So Exo and UH, how often do you go to services/church/mass? How good of a Christian are you, really? Or do you just use that label to bitch about "others"?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Coming from a guy that's crying over something that was never said. Dry your tears, he never said nor implied that Christians are unfit.

                      And American values are based in part in the separation of Church and state, not Christianity. So leave the Bible out of politics if you truly care about American values.
                      You can't separate Christian values from the founders, unless you rewrite history, oh yeah, you have already done that. Separation of government influence on religion, not the other way around
                      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                        You poor little picked on Christians...all 80% of you. You just don't get what he was saying, do you? The nominee was saying that Muslims don't believe in Christ and he wondered about that. Sanders was just replying that Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ either, so did he apply the same standards to them. Y'all need to read up on religions and their beliefs.
                        So Exo and UH, how often do you go to services/church/mass? How good of a Christian are you, really? Or do you just use that label to bitch about "others"?
                        My faith is between me and God, it's nunubidnes.
                        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          You can't separate Christian values from the founders, unless you rewrite history, oh yeah, you have already done that. Separation of government influence on religion, not the other way around
                          “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” - John Adams

                          "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

                          “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

                          "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty." -
                          Jefferson

                          American values dictate that we do not condemn or place one religion over that of another which is exactly what Vought did. He directly condemned all those who do not accept Jesus and proclaimed that only Christians know God. As a government official it is not his place or moral authority to offer such condemnation, he deserved to be called out for his comments.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                            You can't separate Christian values from the founders, unless you rewrite history, oh yeah, you have already done that. Separation of government influence on religion, not the other way around
                            The Founders were either some form of Christianity or were Deists, were children of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason. The values they believed in were from those two sources. The Bible was not used as a model for either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, or the US government, even though some ahistorical people do espouse that mistaken belief.

                            American law came from English common law, which was descended, and developed from, Roman law, Saxon law, and the Danelaw.

                            And the United States is a secular country with a secular government. The US is not a theocracy, though some 'Christian' fundamentalists would undoubtedly want it to be that way.

                            So it seems that revisionism is not what you think it is. The first amendment on religion prohibits a state religion, and some colonies had them in 1776 and after, and only two allowed Roman Catholics to practice their religion openly-Maryland and Pennsylvania. Some Protestant faiths were very intolerant, and some still are.
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                              “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” - John Adams

                              "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

                              “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

                              "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty." -
                              Jefferson

                              American values dictate that we do not condemn or place one religion over that of another which is exactly what Vought did. He directly condemned all those who do not accept Jesus and proclaimed that only Christians know God. As a government official it is not his place or moral authority to offer such condemnation, he deserved to be called out for his comments.
                              Exactly correct. Unfortunately not enough people actually read about the Founding, including the Federalist Papers, Mintesquieu, John Locke, and Rousseau. They listen instead to some of the idiots on the Trump Channel (aka Fox news) and right wing religious fanatics.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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