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    Seems the CIA's spies in China were decimated during the later part of the Obama administration

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...cid=spartandhp

    It also appears that the Obama administration took no useful action to stop it.

  • #2
    Imagine that.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Don't have to imagine it. It really happened...

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      • #4
        I'm not surprised
        ..seems like the US doesn't have the ''street smarts''/know how/etc in running what are supposed to be secret ops
        I thought I just read a few days ago how Gitmo bay information led to the killing of some terrorists--something like that
        ---they seem to let out information to easily

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        • #5
          Interesting, NYT is the publication and the story is based on information from former and current admin leakers of classified information. And yet it is jumped on with relish.

          So why is this story accurate? Violates everything the first posters in this thread talk about every day on this board...what is the word for that?????
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
            Interesting, NYT is the publication and the story is based on information from former and current admin leakers of classified information. And yet it is jumped on with relish.

            So why is this story accurate? Violates everything the first posters in this thread talk about every day on this board...what is the word for that?????
            Two reasons:

            It gives specific details not just vague opinions or assertions, and at places it names names, and sources.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              Interesting, NYT is the publication and the story is based on information from former and current admin leakers of classified information. And yet it is jumped on with relish.

              So why is this story accurate? Violates everything the first posters in this thread talk about every day on this board...what is the word for that?????
              The Russian did it forget my crimes because it isn't fair the crown was supposed to be mine.
              We hunt the hunters

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              • #8
                Yeah, I was under the impression that the NYT was failing and not to be believed under any circumstances.

                What is that word again, CE?
                Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Two reasons:

                  It gives specific details not just vague opinions or assertions, and at places it names names, and sources.
                  Name the sources that gave the info.

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/w...=top-news&_r=0

                  Current and former American officials described the intelligence breach as one of the worst in decades.
                  former American officials,
                  According to three of the officials,
                  Ten current and former American officials described the investigation on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing the information.
                  And so on. NO named sources and they are leaking classified material. Sound familiar???

                  Nothing different what so ever.

                  So what is that word again, begins with "H"
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                    The Russian did it forget my crimes because it isn't fair the crown was supposed to be mine.
                    Nice deflection. Now try answering the question posed.....
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Name the sources that gave the info.

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/w...=top-news&_r=0

                      And so on. NO named sources and they are leaking classified material. Sound familiar???

                      Nothing different what so ever.

                      So what is that word again, begins with "H"
                      But the C.I.A.’s top spy hunter, Mark Kelton, resisted the mole theory, at least initially, former officials say. Mr. Kelton had been close friends with Brian J. Kelley, a C.I.A. officer who in the 1990s was wrongly suspected by the F.B.I. of being a Russian spy. The real traitor, it turned out, was Mr. Hanssen. Mr. Kelton often mentioned Mr. Kelley’s mistreatment in meetings during the China episode, former colleagues say, and said he would not accuse someone without ironclad evidence.

                      In March, prosecutors announced the arrest of a longtime State Department employee, Candace Marie Claiborne, accused of lying to investigators about her contacts with Chinese officials. According to to the criminal complaint against Ms. Claiborne, who pleaded not guilty, Chinese agents wired cash into her bank account and showered her with gifts that included an iPhone, a laptop and tuition at a Chinese fashion school. In addition, according to the complaint, she received a fully furnished apartment and a stipend.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        Not ar all. The Leaks from the White House name specific names and dates also.

                        You guys are against unnamed sources leaking highly classified information to the press, are you not? Yes or no?

                        Just admit it and move on, you are OK with it when it concerns a Dem. Say it, admit your hypocritical position and relish in it.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #13
                          More name calling and flaming? got anything real to discuss?

                          No? I thought not.


                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                            Not ar all. The Leaks from the White House name specific names and dates also.

                            You guys are against unnamed sources leaking highly classified information to the press, are you not? Yes or no?

                            Just admit it and move on, you are OK with it when it concerns a Dem. Say it, admit your hypocritical position and relish in it.
                            You seem more than happy to embrace it when it comes to Donald.
                            If anyone here tried to use sources that were as incomplete as the NYT routinely uses you would scream bloody murder.
                            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                            • #15
                              Well, we can add another Obama blunder to the list... This time it's Obamacare!

                              http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/healt...cid=spartandhp

                              Seems like a problem I've been mentioning about Obamacare is coming to a head... And it don't look good.

                              This is "Cost Reduction Subsidies." This is the program that was supposed to pay insurers for losses under Obamacare, if they occurred. Insurers would pay into the program if they made a profit and the government would add additional funds.
                              Unfortunately, insurers didn't make anywhere near enough profits on Obamacare to keep the CSR fund solvent. The Obama administration made up the difference with government funds collected from a variety of sources.

                              But...

                              CSR payments are estimated at $7 billion for this year, and another $7 billion to $12 billion next year. But the legality of those payments has been in doubt after House Republicans sued the Obama administration to block CSR funding, and a federal judge ruled in their favor.
                              The Trump administration has continued making the payments, but the president has said he sees CSR funding up for negotiation. At this point, the administration has offered no commitment to continue the payments beyond this month, leaving insurers and enrollees unsure about what comes next.
                              That's $7 to 12 billion taxpayer dollars... a year... and growing...

                              Worried that the Trump administration would not act to maintain the payments, attorneys general from 15 states and the District of Columbia, filed a motion last week to intervene in the case.
                              They argue in their filing that stopping the payments abruptly will cause a collapse of the individual health insurance market, telling the judge that "the wrong decision could trigger the very system-wide 'death spirals' that central ACA features, such as stable financing, were designed to avoid."
                              If the payments stop abruptly, health insurers would likely try to pass on the cost to consumers, and many of would likely have to drop coverage because they couldn't afford to pay.
                              Thus, insurers are just as likely to pull the plug and not offer Obamacare policies at all. It looks like up to a third of all counties in the US won't have an Obamacare plan come November when the open season for 2018 begins. Sounds like Obamacare is dead even if Congress does nothing.

                              And, it's all due to the inept legislation that the Democrats passed.

                              "The writing was already on the wall that Obamacare was failing. Unfortunately, the Left is only now calling it out—with a pathetic attempt to point the finger at Republicans," Ryan said in a statement.

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