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  • wolfhnd
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    I would be very skeptical of any statistics used to support a political narrative. That said one rape is too many.

    Rape however is a symptom not of the "patriarchy" or "rape culture" but of a breakdown of our culture's tradition of individual responsibility. That is not to say that historical patriarchal attitudes do not play a role nor that rape was less common in the past.

    Rape has always been a problem in most every society. Unlike in the West where there is a strong tradition of individual rights and responsibility it seems particularly common in authoritarian societies such as certain Islamic and tribal cultures. Less common in Islamic cultures such as Iran where their is a strong patriarchal tradition but also a tradition of decentralized authority and a somewhat more "egalitarian" interpretation of dogma.

    The solution is not to become more dogmatic and authoritarian but to foster a less hedonistic society bases on individual responsibility. Rape is not a symptom of toxic masculinity but of toxic irresponsibility. Males not preoccupied with social obligations such as marriage and family tend to go rogue.

    When women are given the option of "marrying" the state there is no incentive for them to form healthy relationships with men. The high percentage of rapes that are not "stranger" but committed by acquaintances testifies to the toxic relationships fostered by removing traditional male roles basic on responsibility for women and children.

    **** walks and similar displays of the rejection of traditional ethics undermine the very values that must be imposed to combat rape. You need only look at the dystopian alliance between some feminist and Islam to see how cognitively dissonant the left has become.

    Returning to neurosis inducing attitudes about sexuality of the Victorian era is not my suggestion. Neither is it helpful to adopt the science denying attitudes promoted by social justice fanatics. In areas of such complexity moderation is good consul. Unintended consequences are the hallmarks of good intentions on the road to hell.

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  • 82redleg
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    If there is a rape kit involved it is.
    You said "rape", the article you posted clearly said "sexual assault".

    I don't know if the term "rape kit" applies only to "rape" or to other types of penetrative sexual assault- hell, because the legal definition of rape varies by state, what constitutes "rape" in one state may be "sexual assault" in another.

    I'm not a lawyer, and I haven't studied the issue. I merely looked at the first two lines in your post #46.

    Heck, the second paragraph in the article you quoted clearly states that it is really a "sexual assault evidence kit", although often called a "rape kit".

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by 82redleg View Post
    Sexual assault is not the same thing as rape.
    If there is a rape kit involved it is.

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  • 82redleg
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    Think about this, every two minutes another rape is committed in the US,


    http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog...pe-kit-backlog
    Sexual assault is not the same thing as rape.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Think about this, every two minutes another rape is committed in the US,

    Every two minutes, someone is sexually assaulted in the United States.

    With the crime of sexual assault, the victim’s body is a part of the crime scene. When the victim reports the assault to the police, at a hospital, or at a rape crisis center, the victim can choose to have a doctor or nurse photograph, swab and conduct an invasive and exhaustive examination of the victim’s entire body for DNA evidence left behind by the attacker—a process that takes four to six hours to complete. That evidence is collected and preserved in a sexual assault evidence kit, commonly referred to as a rape kit.

    When tested, DNA evidence contained by rape kits can be an incredibly powerful tool to solve and prevent crime. It can identify an unknown assailant and confirm the presence of a known suspect. It can affirm the survivor's account of the attack and discredit the suspect. It can connect the suspect to other crime scenes and identify serial offenders. It can exonerate the wrongly convicted or accused.

    To accomplish these things, however, rape kits must be tested.

    It is estimated that hundreds of thousands of rape kits sit untested in police department and crime lab storage facilities across the country in what is known as the rape kit backlog. Each kit represents a lost opportunity to bring healing and justice to a survivor of sexual violence and safety to a community.

    The rape kit backlog comprises two distinct but related problems. The first part of the backlog occurs when rape kits are collected and booked into evidence, but detectives and/or prosecutors do not request DNA analysis. These kits may remain in a police evidence storage facility indefinitely. This is often referred to as the “untested” or “unsubmitted” rape kit backlog. The Joyful Heart Foundation defines an untested and/or backlogged kit as one that has not been submitted to an accredited public or private crime lab for testing within 10 days of being booked into evidence.

    The second part of the backlog occurs in crime laboratory facilities, where rape kits that have been submitted for testing are awaiting DNA analysis. Many kits that are submitted to crime labs are not tested in a timely manner, creating the second part of the backlog. The Joyful Heart Foundation defines a “backlogged” kit at the DNA testing lab as one that has not been tested within 30 days of receipt by the lab.

    We believe that every rape kit booked into evidence and connected to a reported sexual assault should be submitted to a crime lab for testing, and that crime labs must commit to testing rape kit evidence in a timely manner.
    http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog...pe-kit-backlog

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by 82redleg View Post
    Serious question: What is the purpose of a rape kit?

    If a rape kit is primarily about evidence collection, then the state should pay for the process.

    If a rape kit is primarily about the victim's health, then the victim should pay for the process.

    Life isn't fair, and sometimes it sucks. If a drunk driver hits my car, the state has no responsibility for my medical bills or to replace my care. Why is this crime different?
    Exactly!
    Hundreds of thousands of rape kits that could identify serial sexual attackers are sitting untested by police departments across the country — despite promises and federal funds to clear the backlog, a new agency-by-agency count suggests.

    Documents obtained exclusively by USA TODAY Media Network, an NBC News partner, uncovered more than 70,000 neglected forensic evidence kits amassed by more than 1,000 police agencies. That's just a fraction of the nation's 18,000 police departments, so the total number of untested kits is likely far higher.

    Thirty-four states haven't even counted how many untested kits are sitting on shelves, and the Justice Department has not established federal guidelines on how to handle sex-crimes evidence to comply with a law passed by Congress in 2013.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rape-kits-n393186

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  • lynelhutz
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    See post 17
    Not my post. I never connected Trump and Rape.

    My post was a conditional statement and not an absolute one about the US Healthcare statement. Not a connection with Trump and Rape

    I can't connect Trump and Rape with US Healthcare law since his plan has yet to pass the Senate.

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  • 82redleg
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    Serious question: What is the purpose of a rape kit?

    If a rape kit is primarily about evidence collection, then the state should pay for the process.

    If a rape kit is primarily about the victim's health, then the victim should pay for the process.

    Life isn't fair, and sometimes it sucks. If a drunk driver hits my car, the state has no responsibility for my medical bills or to replace my care. Why is this crime different?

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  • ljadw
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    The OP was NOT about rape .

    The woman who was raped was examined in hospital and had to pay for it .

    As there is no examination in hospital for free, some one has to pay for it ,the obvious candidate being the person who is examined . An other candidate would be the tax-payer .

    IF the rapist is caught and IF he is condemned and IF he has some money, the victim can file a complaint against him and hire a lawyer who will charge her $ thousands for doing nothing and there is a small hope she will get back her money .

    Mostly the small hope will be an illusion .

    There is an other solution , a substitute that will not give back her money but that will revenge her, but that will horrify a lot of people .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
    Just to clear of course I didn't say anything at all about Trump and if there was any way I could personally blame Trump for this particular incident, I would be more than happy to do so.

    But sure! If you want to link Trump and Rape, even as a strenuous denial, I'm happy to let you.
    See post 17

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
    I could be wrong, but you are the first person to mention both Trump and Rape as part of this topic?.
    You are wrong :see post 17 : Trump being elected .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
    Do you think that Rape is unimportant? That is what this thread is about.

    You totally know its not. Really. Rape is not about politics.
    Rape is crime and crime is politics .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
    Just to clear of course I didn't say anything at all about Trump and if there was any way I could personally blame Trump for this particular incident, I would be more than happy to do so.

    But sure! If you want to link Trump and Rape, even as a strenuous denial, I'm happy to let you.
    YOU introduced the US healthcare system in a thread where it had no place . And introducing the US healthcare system is trying to blame Trump .

    Everyone knows that there is only one possibility to decrease the number of rapes (not to exterminate rape ),but the politicians do not care about rape and are to cowardly .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
    How wrong can one be. If society's fabric is dissolving, why are the number of actual rapes going down?



    Single mothers are the problem? You are focusing the blame on the person raising the kids, who is trying to be both mum and dad, rather than the absent father who is a true failure in our society.
    The number of actual rapes is the number of reported rapes,but the number of real rapes (=the number of rapes that happened ) is much,much higher than everyone can imagine .

    And the principal reason is the impunity of the rapists .

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  • Nick the Noodle
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    I see : it is the fault of Trump
    How to demean a really disgusting crime .

    Rape is not about politics. It's about power of a strong individual over a weaker one.

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