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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    but about the OP....

    The quality of Chicago’s policing has been deteriorating for decades. Back in 1991, 67 percent of murderers were arrested. When Mayor Richard M. Daley finally left office 20 years later, in 2011, the arrest rate was down to 30 percent. This troubling drop only continued after Rahm Emanuel became mayor, hitting a new low of 20 percent in 2016 . [secondcitycop says it's closer to 15%]

    With every passing year fewer of us actually give a half'penny. This isn't the demographic we should look to to keep the engine of civilization ticking over. After generations of mandatory lies and ruinous expense, without result, we can assume with confidence they'll live as they wish to live regardless of our interventions. Perhaps a better use of resources would be to rigorously enforce acceptable behavior in public places but take them at their word and stop routinely policing their neighborhoods.
    It ain't like they listen to us... ever.
    Way past time to return to America's roots - the armed citizen of old, especially in the West.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    My first line of defense is a old bolt action Argentine for long range action, then a pump 12 gauge. If they still persist I've got a bunch of pistols to chose from...

    I live on top of a mountain with few paths to the home. It's really heavily overgrown and you can't step off the deer trails without sinking to your hips in detritus. The driveway is about a half mile long snaking up the hill.

    Then there's the dogs. They're the early warning system. I'm a Prepper. Been so since I got out of SAC... I expected a major war since the '80s. Been happily wrong since then. But just in case, I'm ready.
    So am I.

    One of our neighbors has a large sign at the entrance to his property which states: YOU ARE NO LONGER TRESPASSING. YOU ARE NOW A TARGET.

    A visitor to our house asked us if the shooting from the range across the small valley didn't bother us. My reply: "No. I find it very reassuring since it means this whole damned town is keeping it's skills up." Frequent practice and a lot of weekend "shoot-offs".

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  • The Exorcist
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    but about the OP....

    The quality of Chicago’s policing has been deteriorating for decades. Back in 1991, 67 percent of murderers were arrested. When Mayor Richard M. Daley finally left office 20 years later, in 2011, the arrest rate was down to 30 percent. This troubling drop only continued after Rahm Emanuel became mayor, hitting a new low of 20 percent in 2016 . [secondcitycop says it's closer to 15%]

    With every passing year fewer of us actually give a half'penny. This isn't the demographic we should look to to keep the engine of civilization ticking over. After generations of mandatory lies and ruinous expense, without result, we can assume with confidence they'll live as they wish to live regardless of our interventions. Perhaps a better use of resources would be to rigorously enforce acceptable behavior in public places but take them at their word and stop routinely policing their neighborhoods.
    It ain't like they listen to us... ever.

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    So am I. And I'm the deputy sitting in my house. I could directly call the on-duty shift via radio and skip all the 911 comm center BS. Still, my first line of defense is my shotgun, then my sidearm though that can flip-flop depending on situation. I'd tell anyone that can have an arm available to defend themselves have it, and train with it so they're competent and confident in it.
    My first line of defense is a old bolt action Argentine for long range action, then a pump 12 gauge. If they still persist I've got a bunch of pistols to chose from...

    I live on top of a mountain with few paths to the home. It's really heavily overgrown and you can't step off the deer trails without sinking to your hips in detritus. The driveway is about a half mile long snaking up the hill.

    Then there's the dogs. They're the early warning system. I'm a Prepper. Been so since I got out of SAC... I expected a major war since the '80s. Been happily wrong since then. But just in case, I'm ready.

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  • TacCovert4
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And you will be absolutely protected against the army of criminals out in the streets.

    Generally speaking the army of criminals operates parallel to the police anyway. I'd always recommend that people take every precaution that they are capable of taking, including arming themselves. I'm one Deputy covering around 100 square miles of county in my section. I'll run flat out, and on back roads that is a confirmed 135mph in the corners (very bad night, first time I actually scared myself driving), to save you. But I won't get there instantly. I like what I saw on a Wilson County Emergency Management truck one day at an out of county training....."Be Prepared, the First 72 is on you". I'd say that the first 15 minutes is on you....after that I'm bringing the rain.

    Police here do not even respond to "shots fired" calls unless someone is killed or injured.


    I actually wish we could do that. We respond to all of them.....opening day of dove season is the bane of my existence. Lots of idiots that decided to move into the 'country' and freak the hell out because 'there are people in the field behind my house with GUNS!!!!'.

    Which is why we're all armed.
    So am I. And I'm the deputy sitting in my house. I could directly call the on-duty shift via radio and skip all the 911 comm center BS. Still, my first line of defense is my shotgun, then my sidearm though that can flip-flop depending on situation. I'd tell anyone that can have an arm available to defend themselves have it, and train with it so they're competent and confident in it.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Tuebor View Post
    Maybe Baltimore, I don't know, but not Detroit. As bad as things are Detroit murder rate has been on the decline. Also their CoP is anything but Politically Correct. After several high profile killings in self defense in attempted break ins, he came out publicly and said "well, if they did not break in they would not get shot." He also stood face to face with a surprisingly light skinned BLM protest over a real **** job who was killed by a police officer (actually a black Fed) and prevented the situation from getting out of control (he's what, 5'6" or something like that). A man who was car jacked just as he was taking the position probably does not have much sympathy for the bad guys. Detroit cops, btw, are not exactly known for being PC (and they are mostly black). There just are not nearly enough of them to properly police the city.

    Detroit remains a very violent place, because it is mostly all ghetto, though that is beginning to change; slightly and slowly. Yet, BLM never has really taken root there (the above incident the only major one I can think of and that was a couple year ago). Maybe John S can further amplify as he is closer to the D than I am.

    One thing to carefully consider is that things had become so low as for Detroit to elect a corporate White Guy mayor by write in vote no less. To be compared to Baltimore or Chicago is an insult to most Detroiters (especially Chicago).

    Tuebor
    I stand corrected.

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  • Tuebor
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Its how Baltimore PD and Detroit PD are handling things. Officer injuries are drastically down.

    Murder rate is through the roof, but no one seems to protest those...
    Maybe Baltimore, I don't know, but not Detroit. As bad as things are Detroit murder rate has been on the decline. Also their CoP is anything but Politically Correct. After several high profile killings in self defense in attempted break ins, he came out publicly and said "well, if they did not break in they would not get shot." He also stood face to face with a surprisingly light skinned BLM protest over a real **** job who was killed by a police officer (actually a black Fed) and prevented the situation from getting out of control (he's what, 5'6" or something like that). A man who was car jacked just as he was taking the position probably does not have much sympathy for the bad guys. Detroit cops, btw, are not exactly known for being PC (and they are mostly black). There just are not nearly enough of them to properly police the city.

    Detroit remains a very violent place, because it is mostly all ghetto, though that is beginning to change; slightly and slowly. Yet, BLM never has really taken root there (the above incident the only major one I can think of and that was a couple year ago). Maybe John S can further amplify as he is closer to the D than I am.

    One thing to carefully consider is that things had become so low as for Detroit to elect a corporate White Guy mayor by write in vote no less. To be compared to Baltimore or Chicago is an insult to most Detroiters (especially Chicago).

    Tuebor

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    Policing is pretty much a 'social contract' sort of thing. If Chicago doesn't want to be policed, just disband the police. Problem solved.

    As far as the law goes, there are some laws (varies by jurisdiction) requiring police to take reports, respond if called, serve papers and enforce court orders (we're an executive arm that really works for the judicial branch), and conduct investigations.

    My recommendation if you don't like the police: Don't call.....EVER. Don't go to the station to file any reports....EVER. Don't take out papers on anyone. Don't take any actions in court. And "See Nothing" when asked by an investigator.

    If you follow those recommendations, you will have absolutely minimal contact with the police.
    Bravo!

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Try Texas hill country outside Austin. Places like San Marcos or New Braunfels, or the other direction towards Bastrop.
    You've been away for a while. Bastrop is in Austin now. The city has grown like you wouldn't believe.

    New Braunfels is pretty, but real estate is rather pricy at the moment. The key is whether you want to live in town or in the country.

    If you want to live in the country I would recommend further north, in the region around San Angelo and Abilene. Prices are reasonable, taxes are low, and it doesn't get ay more red.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Try Texas hill country outside Austin. Places like San Marcos or New Braunfels, or the other direction towards Bastrop.

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Yep. The community dictates the coverage. If the officers get too much grief, they'll simply stop interacting with the citizens of that area. Oh, they'll show up if called (not quickly), and take a report, but it requires far less effort in justifying not making an arrest than making a warrantless arrest.

    The thing about police work is that it is based upon the assumption that police officers are willing to risk their own safety and work harder than is required, neither of which can legally be demanded of them. So it all boils down to dedication and a love for the job, personal intangibles.

    What we are seeing in Baltimore, Detroit, LAPD, and soon Chicago is that intangible is evaporating.
    That's one of the reasons that I'm considering a move to Texas. Ca is far too liberal for my liking and its just getting worse as time flows by...

    Say as a local could you recommend a good rural town? I'd like it to be in a hilly area like Wichita Falls. But more than 30 miles away from the nearest VA clinic so I can choose my Primary care doctor... Pm me if you would...

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    Policing is pretty much a 'social contract' sort of thing. If Chicago doesn't want to be policed, just disband the police. Problem solved.

    As far as the law goes, there are some laws (varies by jurisdiction) requiring police to take reports, respond if called, serve papers and enforce court orders (we're an executive arm that really works for the judicial branch), and conduct investigations.

    My recommendation if you don't like the police: Don't call.....EVER. Don't go to the station to file any reports....EVER. Don't take out papers on anyone. Don't take any actions in court. And "See Nothing" when asked by an investigator.

    If you follow those recommendations, you will have absolutely minimal contact with the police.
    Yep. The community dictates the coverage. If the officers get too much grief, they'll simply stop interacting with the citizens of that area. Oh, they'll show up if called (not quickly), and take a report, but it requires far less effort in justifying not making an arrest than making a warrantless arrest.

    The thing about police work is that it is based upon the assumption that police officers are willing to risk their own safety and work harder than is required, neither of which can legally be demanded of them. So it all boils down to dedication and a love for the job, personal intangibles.

    What we are seeing in Baltimore, Detroit, LAPD, and soon Chicago is that intangible is evaporating.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    Policing is pretty much a 'social contract' sort of thing. If Chicago doesn't want to be policed, just disband the police. Problem solved.

    As far as the law goes, there are some laws (varies by jurisdiction) requiring police to take reports, respond if called, serve papers and enforce court orders (we're an executive arm that really works for the judicial branch), and conduct investigations.

    My recommendation if you don't like the police: Don't call.....EVER. Don't go to the station to file any reports....EVER. Don't take out papers on anyone. Don't take any actions in court. And "See Nothing" when asked by an investigator.

    If you follow those recommendations, you will have absolutely minimal contact with the police.
    And you will be absolutely protected against the army of criminals out in the streets.

    Police here do not even respond to "shots fired" calls unless someone is killed or injured.


    Which is why we're all armed.

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  • TacCovert4
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    Policing is pretty much a 'social contract' sort of thing. If Chicago doesn't want to be policed, just disband the police. Problem solved.

    As far as the law goes, there are some laws (varies by jurisdiction) requiring police to take reports, respond if called, serve papers and enforce court orders (we're an executive arm that really works for the judicial branch), and conduct investigations.

    My recommendation if you don't like the police: Don't call.....EVER. Don't go to the station to file any reports....EVER. Don't take out papers on anyone. Don't take any actions in court. And "See Nothing" when asked by an investigator.

    If you follow those recommendations, you will have absolutely minimal contact with the police.

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  • Half Pint John
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    They don't look happy

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