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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    It's not a good career move. Beers all around

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  • Half Pint John
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    The rise that started in about 04 and continues to rise is tied in with the multi deployments and not sexual preferences alone. Homosexuals have always been a part of the military and not something new to 2010.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    It's not a good career move. Beers all around

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Not really.

    Suicide is a personal act. There is very little that can be done for them unless they have a developed personal infrastructure. Even then it is iffy.

    Suicides tend to involve the mentally ill, LGBT, and substance abusers. The rest are usually impulsive acts.
    It's not a good career move. Beers all around

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    You are correct, we should be more concerned with suicide by people dealing with sexual identity.
    Not really.

    Suicide is a personal act. There is very little that can be done for them unless they have a developed personal infrastructure. Even then it is iffy.

    Suicides tend to involve the mentally ill, LGBT, and substance abusers. The rest are usually impulsive acts.

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  • Moulin
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    ...I don't see how a ''male to female'' or any LGBTQ- [ don't forget the Q it's official ] -would want to be 'harassed'--and harassed they would be in the military--right or wrong as it is....
    ...

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    20 veterans per day take thier own life. That concerns me.
    According to the various statistical data sites on this veteran suicide rates are about 2 to 2.5%, give or take a little. That is a bit higher than average right now. In the past, it's been lower.



    But, with the recent easing of rules on LGBT entry into the service I could see the rate rising as this community is far above the norm for suicides at anywhere from 30 to 40% (with the transgenders topping the list at close to 50%). That alone would argue for a higher suicide rate in the military.

    Okay, not that that strawman has been dealt with...

    As I indicated before, that rate (30 to 50%) is exponentially higher by several orders of magnitude than any other group. It can't be assigned to oppression, as no other oppressed group comes close to that rate. So, it must be something like mental illness causing it.

    So, I'd say that allowing LGBT personnel to serve openly in the military is only asking for the suicide rate to go up substantially. The military should be screening for potential mental illness on induction and keeping people that are likely to have problems out of the service. That'd indicate that as much as 50% of all LGBT volunteering should be rejected on that basis simply to keep them from committing suicide while in the service.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    The are dubious numbers at best.

    There are 42k+ suicides a year in the USA. People with prior military service are not much above their population percentage.

    And keep in mind that a sizeable percentage of those ex-military who are offing themselves were booted from the military for mental illness. We had one recently who got a section 8 in his first week of Basic back in the 1960s.
    You are correct, we should be more concerned with suicide by people dealing with sexual identity.

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  • Mountain Man
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    LGBT? Those are the front line special ops fighters in our military, right? the ones who will die rather than even consider failing at anything?

    Oooooh...these boots clash with my cammy make-up...

    Yeah...like I really care what they think about the government or the military.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    I think Green will make an excellent Secretary.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    20 veterans per day take thier own life. That concerns me.
    The are dubious numbers at best.

    There are 42k+ suicides a year in the USA. People with prior military service are not much above their population percentage.

    And keep in mind that a sizeable percentage of those ex-military who are offing themselves were booted from the military for mental illness. We had one recently who got a section 8 in his first week of Basic back in the 1960s.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Oh, transgender isn't a disease, it's a mental illness. There's no other group on the planet with a suicide rate that's nearly 50%. People in concentration camps didn't commit suicide at that rate. That says there's something seriously wrong mentally with this group...
    20 veterans per day take thier own life. That concerns me.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Oh, transgender isn't a disease, it's a mental illness. There's no other group on the planet with a suicide rate that's nearly 50%. People in concentration camps didn't commit suicide at that rate. That says there's something seriously wrong mentally with this group...

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  • Urban hermit
    started a topic We at least there was some good news today

    We at least there was some good news today

    LGBT groups: Trump 'couldn't have picked a worse' Army secretary nominee!

    You mean we have a military leader who doesn't want to use our forces as a social test tube?

    LGBT groups are raising pressure on President Trump's nominee for Army secretary, just three days after the pick became official, and are vowing a fight.

    Trump "couldn't have picked a worse nominee to pick a fight with Congress," David Stacy, government affairs director at the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), said Monday.

    "It's a nonstarter with Democrats, and a nonstarter with moderate Republicans. It's guaranteed to cause a fight on the Hill."

    Stacy was speaking in a press call alongside Stephen Peters, HRC national press secretary, and Ashley Broadway-Mack, president of the American Military Partner Association, about their opposition to nominee Mark Green.

    The White House late Friday announced Trump intends to nominate Green, a Republican state senator from Tennessee, to be the Army's top civilian leader, making official a nomination that had been expected.

    If confirmed, Green would succeed Eric Fanning, the first openly gay service secretary.

    Green has a noteworthy Army career, having served as a special operations flight surgeon. He was the emergency physician during the operation that captured Saddam Hussein in 2003 and was the first person to interrogate Hussein following the capture.

    But as a Tennessee state senator, he's made numerous anti-LGBT statements and sponsored a number of anti-LGBT bills.

    In a speech at the Chattanooga Tea Party last year, he said that "transgender is a disease" and railed against then-President Obama's efforts to require public schools to let transgender children use the bathroom of their choice.

    "We are back to where the country was at its beginning, and it's the armed citizen who will defend this nation," Green said. "And there's something else that we've got to protect ourselves from, and it is an overreaching federal government. The notion that Mr. Obama thinks that he can tell the state of Tennessee who can go into a men's bathroom or a women's bathroom is absurd."

    In the same speech, he advocated for "civil disobedience" to respond to what a questioner described as the "tyrannical government." Green used an example involving the governor of Tennessee possibly denying marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

    Green also sponsored a bill that would prohibit action against a business for its personnel and benefits policies so long as those policies are already compliant with state law.

    Tennessee law does not specifically bar discrimination based on sexuality and gender identity, and LGBT advocates say Green's bill is meant to allow companies to discriminate against them.

    In Monday's call, Peters called Green "one of most extreme anti-LGBT politicians in the country."

    Broadway-Mack said she's heard from a number of members of her group who are concerned about Green.

    Stacy said his group started outreach to Capitol Hill on Friday afternoon and has heard a "high degree of concern" from Democrats and moderate Republicans.

    "Nobody's committing their boss on a yes or no vote this early," he added. "The degree of engagement has been very high because of obvious things in his record."
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...sIa?li=BBnbcA1

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