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    Two inmates in a South Carolina prison have killed 4 other inmates. They were already serving life without parole sentences for murder.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...cid=spartandhp

    So, now they've been given the opportunity to kill four more people because they're still alive...

  • #2
    I think it's a fairly safe bet they'll get it now.

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    • #3
      One can hope.

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      • #4
        Lifers are frequently hit men within the system. What else have they got to lose?

        Especially in states with a low chance of the death penalty actually being carried out.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          The article says that the victims were minimum security risks. Are minimum risks and high risks usually incarcerated together?

          I thought there were differnt levels of prisons for different risk levels
          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Surrey View Post
            The article says that the victims were minimum security risks. Are minimum risks and high risks usually incarcerated together?

            I thought there were differnt levels of prisons for different risk levels
            Normally a minum would be kept apart. But some time there is a mix. Could of been a trancit center for example or maybe there is over crowding. Some times excuting the plan is harder than planing it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Surrey View Post
              The article says that the victims were minimum security risks. Are minimum risks and high risks usually incarcerated together?

              I thought there were differnt levels of prisons for different risk levels
              Depends on the state. In Texas the different security levels are at separate facilities. In other states the separation is merely wings or buildings in the same facility, and there are opportunities to mingle.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                And in states like Colorado, the Protective Custody wing is located in the Maximum security facility, and cons hate child molesters.

                Despite all efforts, cons will find a way to kill other cons, and only the death sentence, carried out immediately, will ever prevent that.

                A con in Max for life for serial killing once told us that "after the first one, the rest of 'em are free." That is a chilling look into the mind of a sociopath.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                  The article says that the victims were minimum security risks. Are minimum risks and high risks usually incarcerated together?

                  I thought there were differnt levels of prisons for different risk levels
                  Each state is going to have different policies. Here in Oklahoma they send you to what is called LARC (Lexington Assessment and Reception Center.) All incoming inmates go there no matter who are what. At LARC all inmates are given medical, psychological, and security screenings. All inmates are given a security level based upon the crime, their previous criminal and incarceration history, if such exists, and the perceived future threat level of the inmate. They are then sent to an appropriate level institution...maximum, medium, or minimum. Then, if you are a good boy/girl, you can climb your way up the ladder to a lower threat level and lower security level institution. The lowest level, that I'm aware of, is what they call an "Honor Farm." Those things, literally, are as hard to get out of as a college dormitory. You don't escape from those, you "walk away." And yes, that is what they call an inmate who escapes from an honor farm...a walk away.

                  It's not unheard of to have multiple murderers mixed in with people who forged checks. Simply because those murderers managed to get themselves into a lower security level facility. Or conversely, you can find people with non-violent crimes in maximum security facilities because they caused a lot of trouble while inside.

                  That's possibly what happened here. Murderers who managed to be model prisoners and got themselves into a lower level security facility than they belonged in. Also, as Arnold J Rimmer mentioned, the facility could have multiple security level units on the same prison grounds. One other thing could simply be overcrowding. They ran out of spaces for the bad guys and had no choice but to send them to lower level facilities, or they ran out of space for the lower level guys and had to send them to a higher level security facility.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
                    Each state is going to have different policies. Here in Oklahoma they send you to what is called LARC (Lexington Assessment and Reception Center.) All incoming inmates go there no matter who are what. At LARC all inmates are given medical, psychological, and security screenings. All inmates are given a security level based upon the crime, their previous criminal and incarceration history, if such exists, and the perceived future threat level of the inmate. They are then sent to an appropriate level institution...maximum, medium, or minimum. Then, if you are a good boy/girl, you can climb your way up the ladder to a lower threat level and lower security level institution. The lowest level, that I'm aware of, is what they call an "Honor Farm." Those things, literally, are as hard to get out of as a college dormitory. You don't escape from those, you "walk away." And yes, that is what they call an inmate who escapes from an honor farm...a walk away.

                    It's not unheard of to have multiple murderers mixed in with people who forged checks. Simply because those murderers managed to get themselves into a lower security level facility. Or conversely, you can find people with non-violent crimes in maximum security facilities because they caused a lot of trouble while inside.

                    That's possibly what happened here. Murderers who managed to be model prisoners and got themselves into a lower level security facility than they belonged in. Also, as Arnold J Rimmer mentioned, the facility could have multiple security level units on the same prison grounds. One other thing could simply be overcrowding. They ran out of spaces for the bad guys and had no choice but to send them to lower level facilities, or they ran out of space for the lower level guys and had to send them to a higher level security facility.
                    We call it Diagnostics, and it is run as a totally Max facility, just like the medical facilities.

                    Doesn't matter how it happened - it happened and will happen over and over again unless society wakes up and starts culling the herd.

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                    • #11
                      I wonder what staffing levels are that they could lure 4 men into a cell separately and kill them without any guard noticing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        We call it Diagnostics, and it is run as a totally Max facility, just like the medical facilities.

                        Doesn't matter how it happened - it happened and will happen over and over again unless society wakes up and starts culling the herd.
                        I wouldn't argue with that. Some of them are beyond hope when they come in...several years of incarceration only hardens them more.

                        There are some people in there you could let go tomorrow, and they wouldn't hurt a fly. Yet they'll never get out. On the other hand, there are people in there who will be back on the streets at some point, who should never see the light of day again. But due to the vagaries of the justice system will be out one of these days.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                          I wonder what staffing levels are that they could lure 4 men into a cell separately and kill them without any guard noticing.
                          If it's like here, there are probably two guards for an entire cell block. There's no way that two people can keep track of a hundred/hundreds for any length of time. The cons know the blind spots, the places they can go to and not be seen.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                            I wonder what staffing levels are that they could lure 4 men into a cell separately and kill them without any guard noticing.
                            If it's anything like Colorado, half-staff or less.

                            A few years ago we built a brand new Max facility which has never been used. Why? Can't afford to staff it. Meanwhile, the dispersed system put into effect after the New Mexico riots is gradually returning to the mega-prison idea, with a few guards watching thousands of prisoners.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
                              If it's like here, there are probably two guards for an entire cell block. There's no way that two people can keep track of a hundred/hundreds for any length of time. The cons know the blind spots, the places they can go to and not be seen.
                              Generally the inmates control the blocks. The staff can make themselves felt at any given point they choose, but sooner or later they return to their secure areas, while the inmates live there 24/7.

                              Controlling a prison is like Vietnam: the guards have the firepower, but the inmates have the numbers.
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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