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  • #31
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, I think Progressives, and the Left, are far greater threats and enemies of the United States as it was intended to be by those who founded it. The Leftist-Socialist welfare state, coupled to Big Government and its oppressiveness are far more likely to deal the US a death blow than Russia ever is.
    This is true.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      And Who Believes Russia is Not an Enemy?
      "Enemy" connotes an irreconcilable state of conflict, which by its nature has to erupt into a hot war. Do you honestly think that that's an accurate appraisal of US-Russia relations, that we're headed to war? We disagree, we differ, our interests come into conflict, but we are not enemies. Does that mean that VV Putin is "benign," or especially trustworthy? Does that mean that Pres Trump's handling of our affairs with Russia is beyond reproach? Certainly not -- but I sure as sht don't want to be headed into any war with Russia.

      And if you had any brains, you'd agree.
      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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      • #33
        How can we sit here and blame Russia when we're just as responsible for killing civilians and spreading war. We're no better or worse than they are.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
          "Enemy" connotes an irreconcilable state of conflict, which by its nature has to erupt into a hot war. Do you honestly think that that's an accurate appraisal of US-Russia relations, that we're headed to war? We disagree, we differ, our interests come into conflict, but we are not enemies. Does that mean that VV Putin is "benign," or especially trustworthy? Does that mean that Pres Trump's handling of our affairs with Russia is beyond reproach? Certainly not -- but I sure as sht don't want to be headed into any war with Russia.

          And if you had any brains, you'd agree.
          Well said.

          Unlike the USSR, we don't have a strategic confrontation with Russia. They're just a regional power. We don't have to love each other, but there is no logical reason for military conflict.

          And we share common enemies.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • #35
            This is preposterous...I can not believe how Sean Spicer has labeled Assad considering how Trump previolisly said he would work with Russia and Syria to fight ISIL,


            The Trump administration responded to Tuesday's chemical attack in rebel-held Syria, saying the incident was "reprehensible."

            "These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the last administration's weakness and irresolution," White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Tuesday. "President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a 'red line' against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing."


            https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...llah/22027127/

            Imagine ISIL takes Kentucky....we fight back and some foreign country is labeling us as "reprehensible".... Unbelievable....
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            • #36
              Assad is murdering his own people, numbering in the hundreds of thousands and now he has used chemical weapons against them, murdering women and children.

              Do you believe that is OK?

              And the Russians are backing Assad's play...
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                Well said.

                Unlike the USSR, we don't have a strategic confrontation with Russia. They're just a regional power. We don't have to love each other, but there is no logical reason for military conflict.

                And we share common enemies.
                There is no reason Russia and the USA can't be friends, except for Putin and his shenanigans. Russia doesn't have to go about destabilizing all their neighbours, they don't have to be trying to take over the Ukraine, they don't have to be strong-arming Belarus, they don't have to be interfering in the democratic process of European countries, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE INTERFERING IN THE ELECTORAL PROCESS OF THE UNITED STATES. But they are doing all those things and they are good at it. Once a KGB officer, always a KGB officer.

                Putin is a dangerous man right now and getting more desperate, and therefore even more dangerous. He is running a corrupt kleptocracy that is beginning to rot out internally due in large part to the collapse of oil prices. Russians want Russia to be an important world power so he is diverting his countries attention by using crafty asymmetrical destabilization techniques to buck himself up. He can't have a successful Ukraine at his border because you know why? Russians would want the same. He can't pull Russia up, he's too corrupt so he's trying to pull everyone else down.

                Only thing to do in this crisis created by Putin is to get all the facts out and let the chips fall where they may, then fix it. Just like the United States always used to do.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                  "Enemy" connotes an irreconcilable state of conflict, which by its nature has to erupt into a hot war. Do you honestly think that that's an accurate appraisal of US-Russia relations, that we're headed to war? We disagree, we differ, our interests come into conflict, but we are not enemies. Does that mean that VV Putin is "benign," or especially trustworthy? Does that mean that Pres Trump's handling of our affairs with Russia is beyond reproach? Certainly not -- but I sure as sht don't want to be headed into any war with Russia.

                  And if you had any brains, you'd agree.
                  Yes, and 'if you had any brains' you'd realize it. And there isn't any indication that the US and Russia are headed for open warfare.

                  However, the Trump administration, especially Trump himself, have been progressively cozying up to the Russians and that is not in the best interest of the United States.

                  Russia does not have the economy to engage in any type of warfare with the United States or any other capable power in the world for over two weeks. They have shown that in Ukraine. They are, however, very well equipped to murder civilians in Syria and Ukraine.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    Incredible.

                    An enemy of the United States, NATO, the Syrian people, Ukraine, Eastern Europe in general-take your pick.

                    The Russians are conducting indiscriminate bombing in Syria and are backing the slaughter of the Syrian people by their own government.

                    And you still refuse to believe they are an enemy?
                    So is everyone else.
                    My worst jump story:
                    My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                    As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                    No lie.

                    ~
                    "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                    -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Assad is murdering his own people, numbering in the hundreds of thousands and now he has used chemical weapons against them, murdering women and children.

                      Do you believe that is OK?

                      And the Russians are backing Assad's play...
                      Obama turned a blind eye, Hillary escalated the war with weapons, where were you then?
                      My worst jump story:
                      My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                      As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                      No lie.

                      ~
                      "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                      -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        Assad is murdering his own people, numbering in the hundreds of thousands and now he has used chemical weapons against them, murdering women and children.

                        Do you believe that is OK?

                        And the Russians are backing Assad's play...
                        We're not losing any friends. We've already seen what Bobo's meddling accomplished.

                        Why are the Syrians special? There's ethnic cleansing going on in the Horn of Africa, and heavy body counts in Chicago and Detroit, but you're getting weepy over Syrians, a country who is certainly not pro-US.
                        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          We're not losing any friends. We've already seen what Bobo's meddling accomplished.

                          Why are the Syrians special? There's ethnic cleansing going on in the Horn of Africa, and heavy body counts in Chicago and Detroit, but you're getting weepy over Syrians, a country who is certainly not pro-US.
                          The use of chemical weapons is a danger to the world, not just to the middle east.

                          And the Russians are in bed with the Iranians, etc.

                          Or, are you just plain stupid?
                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            Actually, I think Progressives, and the Left, are far greater threats and enemies of the United States as it was intended to be by those who founded it. The Leftist-Socialist welfare state, coupled to Big Government and its oppressiveness are far more likely to deal the US a death blow than Russia ever is.
                            I'll trust a Russian over a Democrat any day of the week.
                            My worst jump story:
                            My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                            As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                            No lie.

                            ~
                            "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                            -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                              1 ) Not your business and not an argument

                              2 ) Wrong

                              3 ) This was good for Britain and for Poland

                              4 ) You are talking about yourself .
                              Disagreed. Both myself and Massena are Americans and the USA has an interest in foreign affairs.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                                The use of chemical weapons is a danger to the world, not just to the middle east.

                                And the Russians are in bed with the Iranians, etc.

                                Or, are you just plain stupid?
                                After the Democrats gave the Iranians 1.3 billion dollars.... this?
                                My worst jump story:
                                My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                                As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                                No lie.

                                ~
                                "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                                -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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