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  • #16
    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    Some video on the news last night showed some perfect examples of what you describe as the primary symptoms.
    Still goes back to those pictures the Sko posted. There is no way that they can be treating nerve agent poisoning in a hot zone without PPE. doing a rinse with STB or what ever they are using would have no effect on a nerve agent.

    The treatment is atropine....not a firehose.

    Opiates will also cause the pupils to pinpoint.
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      Russia has never been a reliable ally to anyone.
      I take it you are looking at the current version of roughly twenty years, and ignoring the previous regimes which, for all their failings, were very reliable allies during two world wars?

      Amazing how war-like liberals get when they have lost the people's trust.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        Russia has never been a reliable ally to anyone.
        Do not rewrite history to serve your political arguments.

        The Tsar's army and the Grand Duke Nicholas had a right to France's undying gratitude...
        Marshal Joffre, 1918

        We could not forget out Allies on the Eastern Front, the Russian Army, which by its energetic intervention, had drawn upon itself a large portion of the enemy's forces and had thus enabled us to achieve the victory on the Marne.
        Marshal Foch, memoirs

        If France has not been wiped off the map of Europe, it is above all to Russia that we owe it
        Marshal Foch, 1930s.

        Both Tsarist Russia and the Provisional government collapsed adhering to their "obligations" to the Western Allies and - to some extent - having placed those obligations higher than the needs of Russia itself.

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        • #19
          No, I don't think Russia is an enemy, I think Putin & his ilk are the enemy...

          And that is the Russian peoples problem to resolve for themselves.

          📡
          On the Plains of Hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who, at the dawn of victory, sat down to rest-and resting... died. Adlai E. Stevenson

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nichols View Post
            Still goes back to those pictures the Sko posted. There is no way that they can be treating nerve agent poisoning in a hot zone without PPE. doing a rinse with STB or what ever they are using would have no effect on a nerve agent.

            The treatment is atropine....not a firehose.

            Opiates will also cause the pupils to pinpoint.
            Actually, since water dilutes and even inactivates the nerve agent, a firehose might be the best thing you have on hand - it will likely be the only tihng you have available.

            Otherwise, the Myagi Defense is mandatory.

            One thing is certain - those handling the bodies in those photos were NOT handling nerve agent casualties, since their bare hands guaranteed they would die if even the tiniest trace remained.

            Atropine, BTW, dilates the pupils; it does not constrict them. Anyone who has seen an eye doctor knows that first hand.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Admiral View Post
              No, I don't think Russia is an enemy, I think Putin & his ilk are the enemy...

              And that is the Russian peoples problem to resolve for themselves.

              📡
              Well said.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                Not of the US, nor really of NATO. Japan was a bigger threat n China in the 30's due to their expansionist policies. I see no evidence that Russia is moving into the Middle East to expand their power base but rather, are propping up a regime they have a long relationship with. Whatever you think of Assad, he's been a fairly reliable ally of the Russians for decades.

                Sure, Ukraine and Russia have serious issues and the US and NATO need to take more of a role in that mess, but that isn't Syria. The same goes for Eastern Europe. But, none of that rises to the level of calling Russia "the enemy." Rival power maybe? Conflicting political interests?

                But, you apply Western / US warfighting standards to the Russians and Syrians as if we get to dictate how wars are conducted. Sure, we can protest their actions and dislike them, but unless we're prepared to teeth behind that there's little more we can do.
                I can buy into that. It's the same for the PRC imo.

                None of the three have anything to gain in a conflict between each other, not even a trade war.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  ...Actually, since water dilutes and even inactivates the nerve agent, a firehose might be the best thing you have on hand - it will likely be the only tihng you have available...
                  I agree. The voice over I saw last night explained why the hose was being used.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    I take it you are looking at the current version of roughly twenty years, and ignoring the previous regimes which, for all their failings, were very reliable allies during two world wars?

                    Amazing how war-like liberals get when they have lost the people's trust.
                    Russia pulled out of War I because of mismanagement, corruption, and a Revolution.

                    That released about one million German troops to the Western Front.

                    And the Russian Civil War that followed was brutal in the extreme.

                    In War II, the Russians began as Germany's ally and attacked both Finland and Poland in 1939.

                    They were invaded by the Germans and were only the allies of the West because of that circumstance-it wasn't by choice. And they turned on the West when the war was over.

                    The lack of a sense of history for some of you, and a lack of common sense at all, is absolutely amazing.

                    And you personally have displayed no sense at all. You are very adept at false accusations and personal attacks, and that's just about it.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Admiral View Post
                      [CENTER]No, I don't think Russia is an enemy, I think Putin & his ilk are the enemy...
                      They are one in the same. The people who have opposed Putin publicly have been murdered.

                      The Russian people will do as they are told by their leaders. They have little or no say in how they are ruled or in what their rulers do.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        Russia pulled out of War I because of mismanagement, corruption, and a Revolution.



                        And the Russian Civil War that followed was brutal in the extreme.

                        In War II, the Russians began as Germany's ally

                        and attacked Poland in 1939.



                        The lack of a sense of history for some of you, and a lack of common sense at all, is absolutely amazing.

                        And you personally have displayed no sense at all. You are very adept at false accusations and personal attacks, and that's just about it.
                        1 ) Not your business and not an argument

                        2 ) Wrong

                        3 ) This was good for Britain and for Poland

                        4 ) You are talking about yourself .

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                          You mean like:

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.61cbd395a2c4



                          Some video on the news last night showed some perfect examples of what you describe as the primary symptoms.
                          The video does not indicate that what we see is caused by an air attack,besides the video is made by the opponents of Assad .

                          Whatever,as the UNO, the US media, the pope, etc were silent when ISIS was showing how it teached children how to behead people, there is no reason to be indignant about what the UN, the US media, the pope, etc...are telling us that happened . Even if they told for once the proof .

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                          • #28
                            Actually, I think Progressives, and the Left, are far greater threats and enemies of the United States as it was intended to be by those who founded it. The Leftist-Socialist welfare state, coupled to Big Government and its oppressiveness are far more likely to deal the US a death blow than Russia ever is.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Actually, since water dilutes and even inactivates the nerve agent, a firehose might be the best thing you have on hand - it will likely be the only tihng you have available.


                              Actually...no...I was clearly posting about treating in a hot zone.....the water isn't going to help treat the patients at that stage. They need atropine and evacuated out of the hot zone before they go through the decontamination procedures.....NBC 101.

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              One thing is certain - those handling the bodies in those photos were NOT handling nerve agent casualties, since their bare hands guaranteed they would die if even the tiniest trace remained.
                              No kidding.....why do you think I posted:

                              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                              There is no way that they can be treating nerve agent poisoning in a hot zone without PPE.
                              Again.....NBC 101

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Atropine, BTW, dilates the pupils; it does not constrict them. Anyone who has seen an eye doctor knows that first hand.
                              Try again.......the treatment for nerve agent poisoning is:

                              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                              The treatment is atropine....not a firehose.
                              Anyone that has had training in NBC knows this first hand.
                              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                                Russia pulled out of War I because of mismanagement, corruption, and a Revolution.

                                That released about one million German troops to the Western Front.

                                And the Russian Civil War that followed was brutal in the extreme.

                                In War II, the Russians began as Germany's ally and attacked both Finland and Poland in 1939.

                                They were invaded by the Germans and were only the allies of the West because of that circumstance-it wasn't by choice. And they turned on the West when the war was over.

                                The lack of a sense of history for some of you, and a lack of common sense at all, is absolutely amazing.

                                And you personally have displayed no sense at all. You are very adept at false accusations and personal attacks, and that's just about it.
                                Despite the mismanagement, and corruption Imperial Russia put itself on the line for the Allies; as others noted they put their promises ahead of self interest. While they weren't the best on the battlefield, they gave their all. As did the provisional government.

                                Stalin was nothing short of a mass murderer, but once the USSR entered the war they never wavered. I do not care to say anything good about the USSR, but they did the bulk of dying in WW2.

                                You need to get a grip, M. Your crude behavior, obsession with Trump, and hysterical tone certainly brings into question your emotional state.
                                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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