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  • And Who Believes Russia is Not an Enemy?

    Those of you who believe that Russia is benign and that the US should be friendly with Putin and his dictatorship should read this:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/middle...ack/index.html
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    An enemy of who?

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    • #3
      Incredible.

      An enemy of the United States, NATO, the Syrian people, Ukraine, Eastern Europe in general-take your pick.

      The Russians are conducting indiscriminate bombing in Syria and are backing the slaughter of the Syrian people by their own government.

      And you still refuse to believe they are an enemy?
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        More fear and trembling.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          Incredible.

          An enemy of the United States, NATO, the Syrian people, Ukraine, Eastern Europe in general-take your pick.

          The Russians are conducting indiscriminate bombing in Syria and are backing the slaughter of the Syrian people by their own government.

          And you still refuse to believe they are an enemy?
          Not of the US, nor really of NATO. Japan was a bigger threat n China in the 30's due to their expansionist policies. I see no evidence that Russia is moving into the Middle East to expand their power base but rather, are propping up a regime they have a long relationship with. Whatever you think of Assad, he's been a fairly reliable ally of the Russians for decades.

          Sure, Ukraine and Russia have serious issues and the US and NATO need to take more of a role in that mess, but that isn't Syria. The same goes for Eastern Europe. But, none of that rises to the level of calling Russia "the enemy." Rival power maybe? Conflicting political interests?

          But, you apply Western / US warfighting standards to the Russians and Syrians as if we get to dictate how wars are conducted. Sure, we can protest their actions and dislike them, but unless we're prepared to teeth behind that there's little more we can do.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Incredible.

            An enemy of the United States, NATO, the Syrian people, Ukraine, Eastern Europe in general-take your pick.

            The Russians are conducting indiscriminate bombing in Syria and are backing the slaughter of the Syrian people by their own government.

            And you still refuse to believe they are an enemy?

            Are you a Syrian ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              And you still refuse to believe they are an enemy?
              No. They are a former great power trying to reclaim their glory and acting in their own best interests as they define them.

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              • #8
                ...not my fight...

                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                Incredible.

                An enemy of the United States, NATO, the Syrian people, Ukraine, Eastern Europe in general-take your pick.

                The Russians are conducting indiscriminate bombing in Syria and are backing the slaughter of the Syrian people by their own government.

                And you still refuse to believe they are an enemy?
                So...why is Syria's civil war, Russia's annexation of Crimea, Iraq's recent wars, yadayadayada ad nauseum, problems that the United States military needs to address? Shouldn't all this world-wide strife be something that much touted organization, the United Nations, be addressing? Aren't there OTHER countries around the world who have a much higher stake in these crises? Perhaps countries in Europe, Asia...maybe Russia?
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                • #9
                  Obummer is more to blame, he funneled weapons to the insurgents and offered them false hope. More the same in the Ukraine, you know bobo did more harm to humanity in the middle east than the Russians. Same in the Ukraine.

                  His diverting grain into bio-fuels caused the Arab spring do to the fact that food prices soared. Then he destabilized the M/E throwing that part of the world into turmoil and a breeding ground for terrorists.

                  Russia did no such thing.
                  Credo quia absurdum.


                  Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                  • #10
                    Aren't there OTHER countries around the world who have a much higher stake in these crises? Perhaps countries in Europe, Asia...maybe Russia?
                    In Syria ?

                    Syrians themselves obviously.

                    Iran and associates, Turkey, Russia, SA and associates, Israel maybe and that's it I think.

                    Problem is most of those have in interest in continuing the conflict, not ending it, and the results of that you can read in the paper today.

                    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                    (...)
                    His diverting grain into bio-fuels caused the Arab spring do to the fact that food prices soared.
                    LOL - I heard it said it was global warming

                    http://theconversation.com/food-secu...in-syria-71539

                    From 2006 until 2011, [Syria] experienced one of the worst droughts in its history, which of course meant that there were water shortages and crops weren’t growing, so there was mass migration from rural areas of Syria into the urban centres, which put on more strain, and made resources scarce etc, which apparently contributed to the conflict there today.
                    That's it with conspiracy theories there's one for every fancy,

                    expect Trumps climate plan to be blamed for civil war in Mexico two decades from now.
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                    • #11
                      Every time the Syrian Army gains the upper hand against the rebels, some "atrocity" story is quickly trundled out and given wide publicity in the absence of any independent verification. This is another.

                      Interesting to note: the claim is that victims died from being hit with Sarin nerve agent, yet the photos show "medical staff" treating the victims with their bare hands with no complications. Also, the photos show the patients calmly spread out in some cases. This is not what happens when a person suffers from Sarin poisoning. There are convulsions, vomiting, defecation, and spasms. You don't simply lay down, arms outstretched.

                      More BS from the BS factories..

                      I cans treat Sarin victims with me bare hands... no problems..



                      Scene of the attack: conveniently located just outside of a White Helmets compound



                      Oh dear, somebody jumped the gun in reporting about the CW attack - before it happened...
                      Orient TV reporter :
                      "tomorrow we are launching a media campaign to cover the airstrikes on Hama country side including the usage of CW"
                      April 3



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                      • #12
                        You mean like:

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.61cbd395a2c4

                        The World Health Organization said that the victims showed symptoms consistent with reaction to a nerve agent. Doctors Without Borders added that medics had treated patients with diluted pupils, muscle spasms and involuntary defecation “consistent with exposure to neurotoxic agents such as sarin.”
                        Some video on the news last night showed some perfect examples of what you describe as the primary symptoms.
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                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #13
                          I'm more worried about Iran and China than I am about Russia. Iran is a whackjob wannabe nuclear power and China has positive plans to take over the Far East, particularly the Spratley Islands, in an area we won't fight for in the first place.

                          As far as any threat from Russia, that is Europe's problem and I am certain they will rise to the occasion and defend themselves to the death rather than expect America to do it for them again.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps the OP is wrong...but I submit that Russia and the USA could form an effective alliance to make the world a better place.


                            As I have pointed out before, Senator Dick Black...a Vietnam Vet who saw combat action....has thanked Assad for protecting the Jews and Christians of Damascus....so that's coming from a US politician and we can compare what Black says to what other US leaders have to say about Syria.


                            I can't imagine how Americans would react if ISIL was in California or Texas...I find that patriotic Americans would do anything to get ISIL out of our lands like how Patriotic Syrians are putting their life on the line to rid Syria of ISIL and ISIL like groups.
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                            • #15
                              Russia has never been a reliable ally to anyone.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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