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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
    Like the Paul Manafort connection for example? Or the Mike Kelley connection? Or the Jared Kushner connection?
    All unproved claims and lies by the Hillary/Soros media .

    No one of the Trump team has been indicted .

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    ACG expects its members to display respect for others and not engage in deliberate and derogatory commentary on the basis of sex.

    ACG Staff
    Last edited by Daemon of Decay; 29 Mar 17, 00:08.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally Posted by JFKvsNixon
    I think that we're reaching the point where anything that challenges someones beliefs is being labeled as "fake news".
    Your point is well taken; however, these days almost everything "challenges someone's beliefs, somewhere, especially where politics is involved.

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Well, the news has gotten ridiculous with regard to Trump...

    How about this headline:



    http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/heal...cid=spartanntp





    Stop being a snowflake... B.... !
    An amusing little anecdote of a story - though now I just want pancakes - but this actually represents one of my impressions on why some see such far-reaching bias: they see an article which speaks on a subject they see as anti-Trump, despite the concept being sound. After all, it's known that some people stress eat, and there were plenty of people stressed by Trump's election. But even giving voice to that idea, which in itself is at its core an objective concept, is treated not only as an anti-Trump piece but a coordinated attack against him.

    I mean let's be honest here: is a liberal pointing it that liberals could have been gaining pounds because they were stressed out by Trump incorrect or wrong? Is having someone reach out to others who could be suffering the same by giving some pointers evidence of bias? How could an article discussing this topic ever be considers unbiased by a Trump supporter?

    And perhaps most crucially, it seems the article - journalism on the click-baity, lighter end of the spectrum - did what it intended by getting people to click on it.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Well, the news has gotten ridiculous with regard to Trump...

    How about this headline:

    Is Trump Making You Fat?
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/heal...cid=spartanntp

    I've eaten an additional 16,625 calories since President Trump was sworn into office. At least, that's what my calculations based on my recent (and unusual) 4.75-pound weight gain tell me.*
    I'm not alone: Many of my clients, friends and colleagues are complaining about POTUS pounds. They wake up each morning wondering which crazy tweet the president has fired off, which ally he's offended, which latest conspiracy theory he's peddling or which executive order he'll sign next. Their increased anxiety triggers stress eating.

    Even Barbara Streisand tweeted that she starts the day with "liquids" but turns to "pancakes smothered in maple syrup" after watching the morning news. Donald Trump is causing her to gain weight too, she said.*


    Stop being a snowflake... B.... !

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
    And of course, the right wing media spearheaded by Fox News is fair and balanced, right? I do not excuse any news outlet that spreads disinformation, however, it is quite ironic that the man that bitched about "fake news" so vociferously relies so heavily on outlets that are no more reliable than the National Enquirer. And by the way, why is the Donald plugging a show on Fox that features Janine Pirro? Is he planning to turn the White House into an advertising agency?
    Fox News has been attacked by conservatives for having some of its journalists talk negatively about the Trump administration. Still, it is inescapable that Fox News is right-leaning. But that doesn't excuse nor counter that there are also sources like MSNBC which are left-leaning.

    The problem inherent to the issue is that many who criticize the liberal media / MSM tend to lump most sources together on the belief in bias, which is an absurd generalization. It would be like lumping Fox News together with InfoWars because they're both biased to the right and thus cannot be trusted equally.

    Working closely with journalists and academics as I do, I can also add that the idea that there is a bias within the national media outlets is not doubted - or at least, not in my department. The difference generally comes down to the view on this bias, which is related to what I just said: the view on bias can often be highly inflated or generalized into a sweeping condemnation, becoming its own fallacy as people reject a story based entirely on who they think is saying it, rather than the content of the story.

    Worse, the perception within and without journalism creates its own issues. Journalists and academics will tend to downplay the amount of bias in the field, while the most vocal critics on the right tend to play up the amount of bias. I'd argue that stems from mutual incomprehension, as they both are viewing the issue from a differing position, but that's a different issue.

    The result is that accepting that, in general, there is a left of center bias within the journalists publishing news copy. What causes issues is when that is disagreed with and distorted into "there is no real bias" or "they're all socialists".

    Though we should all remember that rejecting a story on the basis of a political view, even an assumed one, is itself a major fallacy.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
    And of course, the right wing media spearheaded by Fox News is fair and balanced, right? I do not excuse any news outlet that spreads disinformation, however, it is quite ironic that the man that bitched about "fake news" so vociferously relies so heavily on outlets that are no more reliable than the National Enquirer. And by the way, why is the Donald plugging a show on Fox that features Janine Pirro? Is he planning to turn the White House into an advertising agency?
    Strawman argument. What the Right does or doesn't do has no bearing on the FACT that the MSM is overwhelmingly on the Left in its political view points.
    What you are arguing here is essentially the "Pee Wee Herman" defense. "I know you are, what am I?"
    Regardless of what Right wing media outlets do or say, they are in the distinct minority within the larger outlets of news.

    Then there's your last sentence. Obama tried to banish FOX entirely from the White House and press corps. Who did he listen to on the various MSM outlets? Who were his favorites?
    You see that last bit is an irrelevant appeal to authority / popularity coupled with a red herring. That is, you try and argue that because Trump prefers a particular Right leaning news show that he's somehow plugging for that show in preference to all others. Yet, you offer no comparison with previous President's handing of the press.

    I consider MSNBC no more credible than the National Enquirer for example. You, obviously, think FOX is no better. Those are opinions.
    For example, Ed Schulz on his MSNBC show, as well as his radio show, a few years back openly stated he's for voter fraud and would do it himself. When called on it, he doubled down and said he'd gladly do more of it than he originally stated. If a Right leaning talking head on television or radio did that they'd be off the air so fast it'd beat the space shuttle to orbit.

    My point wasn't what the Right does or doesn't do. It was that the Left dominates most media outlets and in general is the larger voice in the media. That's a provable fact.

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  • Bass_Man86
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    Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
    I think that we're reaching the point where anything that challenges someones beliefs is being labeled as "fake news".
    That is what bothers me about the Trumpeters. It's like talking with cult members. Why is it that someone always has to somehow explain what the Donald said. Why is it that it seems that the Donald's refusal to separate himself from his business does not register? Why is that the Donald's constant visits to the golf course are okay? Why is it that the obvious nepotism is excused? I could go on, but hey, anyone that criticizes the messiah of alt-right is a nothing but a snowflake......right?

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  • Bass_Man86
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    Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
    Minor compared to the BIG LIE pushed by the MSM for the past five months- the supposed Russia/Trump Campaign collusion.
    Like the Paul Manafort connection for example? Or the Mike Kelley connection? Or the Jared Kushner connection?



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  • Bass_Man86
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Well, media bias towards the Left is real...



    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Me...inds-UCLA-6664

    The quotes on this one are pretty damning.

    http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/jo...-bias-part-one

    This is a dry academic study that determined the bias by analyzing tens of thousands of quoting patterns in media reports.

    http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~cristian/...g_patterns.pdf

    But, if you really want fake news it thrives on the Left.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ist-media-bias

    Even the reliably Left leaning New York Times says its a problem


    http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...serious-effect
    And of course, the right wing media spearheaded by Fox News is fair and balanced, right? I do not excuse any news outlet that spreads disinformation, however, it is quite ironic that the man that bitched about "fake news" so vociferously relies so heavily on outlets that are no more reliable than the National Enquirer. And by the way, why is the Donald plugging a show on Fox that features Janine Pirro? Is he planning to turn the White House into an advertising agency?

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post


    Fox News Channel pulled analyst Andrew Napolitano off the air indefinitely this week after he repeatedly said Obama had recruited British spies to bug Trump Tower during the 2016 presidential campaign. British officials had protested Napolitano’s statements, calling them “ridiculous.”

    Minor compared to the BIG LIE pushed by the MSM for the past five months- the supposed Russia/Trump Campaign collusion.
    Backbone is not a quality of Fox : it is enough that GHQ denies the story (did anyone expect that they would confirm it ?) and Fox was climbing down .

    We KNOW that a former (? ) MI 6 agent told lies about Trump at the order of the Liberals . Thus it is not impossible that a member of British intelligence community () ,better a member of a British spy organization would wiretrap the Trump Tower . After all, if GCHQ was wiretapping British MP's, why should it not wiretap Trump House ?

    And under Hoover, the FBI wiretapped at will .

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  • BorderRuffian
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    Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
    Fake news! Two words that are bandied about by the Donald and his acolytes far too often in my opinion. But where is much of this "fake news originating from? Here are a couple of examples.
    The Independent Journal Review (IJR)

    Never heard of it. Not comparable to the combo hit team of CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, NYT, &c.

    Incendiary writer and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos resigned from the right-wing news site Breitbart last month after videos of him speaking favorably about child sexual abuse surfaced.

    This is bad, but how is it "fake news?"

    Rising conservative star Tomi Lahren was suspended this week from the Blaze, her online home, after she told ABC’s “The View” that she supports abortion rights, an apparently heretical statement in the judgment of Blaze founder Glenn Beck.

    Again, this is bad (abortion), but how is it "fake news?" Isn't this an opinion on a political issue?

    Fox News Channel pulled analyst Andrew Napolitano off the air indefinitely this week after he repeatedly said Obama had recruited British spies to bug Trump Tower during the 2016 presidential campaign. British officials had protested Napolitano’s statements, calling them “ridiculous.”

    Minor compared to the BIG LIE pushed by the MSM for the past five months- the supposed Russia/Trump Campaign collusion.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
    I think that we're reaching the point where anything that challenges someones beliefs is being labeled as "fake news".
    Exactly.

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  • JFKvsNixon
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    In the era of advertising paying websites for each visitor, clickbait or fake news has become a decent source of income. Many times the only motivation for the writers of the fake news is financial, all they want to do is draw people to a certain webpage or website.

    Many of the fake news sites and webpages that popped up during the Presidential election, originated in Macedonia. Teens were making a relatively good income by doing a little research, finding out what stores would entice enough people in, and then making money from the advertising.

    Here's a link to a BBC page that discussed it:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38168281

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
    But why do people keep, buying, clicking, believing...and repeating ?

    If an outlet puts out something that nobody wants, the outlet will fail.

    Same with the Trump threads here, if you all stopped posting in them, they would disappear,

    you're being served what you deserve.


    I really don't know why fake news works so well. It isn't a new phenomenon, but the internet has made it worse.

    Regardless of political belief, everyone seems to want to believe things that confirm their own prejudices. Sadly, that includes our MSM.

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