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  • Purveyors of "fake news"

    Fake news! Two words that are bandied about by the Donald and his acolytes far too often in my opinion. But where is much of this "fake news originating from? Here are a couple of examples.

    ●The Independent Journal Review (IJR), a politics-and-policy news site geared toward conservative millennials, retracted a story last week that suggested, without evidence, that former president Barack Obama had pressured a federal judge in Hawaii to rule against President Trump’s latest travel ban. The site acknowledged that the innuendo-laden story was wrong and suspended three staff members — chief content officer Benny Johnson, writer Kyle Becker and editor Becca Lower.

    ●Incendiary writer and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos resigned from the right-wing news site Breitbart last month after videos of him speaking favorably about child sexual abuse surfaced.

    ●Rising conservative star Tomi Lahren was suspended this week from the Blaze, her online home, after she told ABC’s “The View” that she supports abortion rights, an apparently heretical statement in the judgment of Blaze founder Glenn Beck.

    ●Fox News Channel pulled analyst Andrew Napolitano off the air indefinitely this week after he repeatedly said Obama had recruited British spies to bug Trump Tower during the 2016 presidential campaign. British officials had protested Napolitano’s statements, calling them “ridiculous.”
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-c...b7Kz&ocid=iehp
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    MSN: there's a reliable source.
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    • #3
      It isn't from MSN, merely posted there. If you would pay attention, you would see the article is from the Washington Post.

      Just for giggles, who do you consider a reliable news source?
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      • #4
        Info Wars

        Britefart

        Blaze

        Fox.

        Bring Scopes with you.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #5
          Maybe we could bring back Dan Rather...

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          • #6
            Fake News is a subjective pejorative used by those who dislike negative commentary. It's the same thing we've seen for decades with 'mainstream media', 'liberal media', etc. used as a short-hand for journalists or news outlets which are not seen as being friendly towards conservative beliefs, issues or personalities.

            Such anti-journalist sentiment is not new by a long shot. VP Agnew once gave a long speech about it in the 70s. The belief in a left-bias in most major news outlets has been a recurring theme since then.

            What is different is that 'fake news' makes it more explicit that anything so labeled is inherently false and a lie, rather than merely being biased. It is no longer that a story is "true, but liberally biased" - now, it is fake to begin with.

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            • #7
              Well, media bias towards the Left is real...

              "I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."
              "Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.
              http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Me...inds-UCLA-6664

              The quotes on this one are pretty damning.

              http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/jo...-bias-part-one

              This is a dry academic study that determined the bias by analyzing tens of thousands of quoting patterns in media reports.

              http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~cristian/...g_patterns.pdf

              But, if you really want fake news it thrives on the Left.

              http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ist-media-bias

              Even the reliably Left leaning New York Times says its a problem

              News media bias is real. It reduces the quality of journalism, and it fosters distrust among readers and viewers. This is bad for democracy.
              Many prevailing biases exist in the U.S. news media. All news outlets are biased toward an eye-catching narrative. The Washington news media is biased toward Washington-based solutions. And the political press in the U.S. has an overwhelming leftward tilt, mostly on social issues, but also on economic matters.
              Conservatives aren’t imagining this bias. It’s evident in many ways, including personnel movement. For instance, Bill Keller, after years as a New York Times columnist taking largely liberal stands, became The Times' executive editor.
              http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...serious-effect

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              • #8
                Nothing new here at all. The sensationalist journals like the National enquirer have been faking it since the dawn of time, and people have been swallowing their outrageous stories as fast as they can turn them out.

                The real problem lies in finding a way as responsible citizens to get some semblance of the truth.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  (...) The sensationalist journals like the National enquirer have been faking it since the dawn of time, and people have been swallowing their outrageous stories as fast as they can turn them out.
                  Not really.

                  Some peoples seem decidely more susceptible than others.

                  http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkish-pre...onomic-1463347

                  Education and literacy plays an impotant part in all this, religion also, and obviously logic and reason are foreign concepts alltogether to some.

                  The sort of lies that are peddled and bought in Britain and the US (elsewhere also, but less surprisingly) would make a newspaper go bankrupt here, a politician unemployed overnight.

                  (...)
                  The real problem lies in finding a way as responsible citizens to get some semblance of the truth.
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                  • #10
                    Every time you see a variation on the phrase "election hacking", you are seeing "fake news".
                    Despite this, a search with that phrase will turn up reports on every MSM site.

                    While fake news from the conservative side is bad, it doesn't even begin to approach the reach of what the MSM puts out.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                      (...)
                      While fake news from the conservative side is bad, it doesn't even begin to approach the reach of what the MSM puts out.
                      But why do people keep, buying, clicking, believing...and repeating ?

                      If an outlet puts out something that nobody wants, the outlet will fail.

                      Same with the Trump threads here, if you all stopped posting in them, they would disappear,

                      you're being served what you deserve.
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                      • #12
                        I think that we're reaching the point where anything that challenges someones beliefs is being labeled as "fake news".

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                        • #13
                          Not quite - in case of the Brexit campaign for example both sides applied and equal and massive false arguments.

                          Or Hillary vs. Trump ?

                          Russians vs. Arabs in Syria ?

                          It's really not a case of supporting one over the other, but of despising both sides equally.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                            But why do people keep, buying, clicking, believing...and repeating ?

                            If an outlet puts out something that nobody wants, the outlet will fail.

                            Same with the Trump threads here, if you all stopped posting in them, they would disappear,

                            you're being served what you deserve.


                            I really don't know why fake news works so well. It isn't a new phenomenon, but the internet has made it worse.

                            Regardless of political belief, everyone seems to want to believe things that confirm their own prejudices. Sadly, that includes our MSM.
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                            • #15
                              In the era of advertising paying websites for each visitor, clickbait or fake news has become a decent source of income. Many times the only motivation for the writers of the fake news is financial, all they want to do is draw people to a certain webpage or website.

                              Many of the fake news sites and webpages that popped up during the Presidential election, originated in Macedonia. Teens were making a relatively good income by doing a little research, finding out what stores would entice enough people in, and then making money from the advertising.

                              Here's a link to a BBC page that discussed it:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38168281

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