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    Vote counters do not believe that the GOP Controlled House of Rep can get enough votes to pass the bill and send it to the Senate. We'll know that is still true if they postpone the Thursday floor action and vote. They will NOT allow a vote if they do not have the numbers.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-caucus-236314

    Despite a frantic lobbying effort, President Donald Trump and House GOP leaders are still short of the votes they need to pass their Obamacare replacement bill, just two days before the legislation is set to be taken up on the floor.

    Conservative hard-liners from the House Freedom Caucus are threatening to derail the legislation, saying revisions announced on Monday night don’t go far enough. A handful of moderate Republicans are also balking at the Trump-backed measure. They’re worried about damaging themselves politically by voting for a proposal that will never make it through the Senate.
    GOP leadership claims it's going to a vote no matter, what. I say the balk and postpone. But we'll see.

    Ryan and GOP leaders plan to take the bill to the floor Thursday regardless of what they expect the outcome to be, despite the problems that could occur if they lose, GOP lawmakers and aides told POLITICO. They're hoping that Trump's message to the GOP Conference Tuesday will sink in over the next 48 hours and persuade enough members to back the measure.

    “We still have two days before the vote," said Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), the chief deputy majority whip. "This did the right thing and helped move members. And it was the right thing for the president to come in and take ownership of this."
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

  • #2
    More predictions from the "Hillary has a sure win" pundits...
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      More predictions from the "Hillary has a sure win" pundits...
      Nope. The prediction is straight from the leader of the Conservative group in the house that is opposed to the bill. 22 GOP no votes kill it. He counts 27 . You'd know that if you read it. But I don't expect you to read.

      Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows said his group of conservatives still has the votes to block the bill. Freedom Caucus insiders say the group has 27 members who are firmly against it or leaning "no."

      House GOP leaders can afford to lose only 22 members on the bill.
      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
      “To talk of many things:
      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
      Of cabbages—and kings—
      And why the sea is boiling hot—
      And whether pigs have wings.”
      ― Lewis Carroll

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        More predictions from the "Hillary has a sure win" pundits...
        Some actual conservatives did not dump their values and bow to President Trump. Others, not so much.
        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
        “To talk of many things:
        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
        Of cabbages—and kings—
        And why the sea is boiling hot—
        And whether pigs have wings.”
        ― Lewis Carroll

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
          Some actual conservatives did not dump their values and bow to President Trump. Others, not so much.
          Unlike a bunch of Democrats who did and voted for Obamacare without ever seeing the actual bill before hand...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            Unlike a bunch of Democrats who did and voted for Obamacare without ever seeing the actual bill before hand...
            Fake news. The bill was available for all for weeks.

            Pssst.... this is about today, not 2010... That event is long gone. Stay focused on the GOP going into this with NO plan after seven years and proceeding to cock it up.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              Fake news. The bill was available for all for weeks.

              Pssst.... this is about today, not 2010... That event is long gone. Stay focused on the GOP going into this with NO plan after seven years and proceeding to cock it up.
              No it wasn't, and the House Speaker even said so...



              This is a good question, because it's unlikely that any legislator thought that would have been a good idea. But this gets to the heart of the problem with ACA: many legislators didn't know what they were crafting and voting on.

              Max Baucus (D-Montana), chair of the Senate Finance Committee through which the health bill flowed, insisted that reading the law wasn't necessary.

              “I don’t think you want me to waste my time to read every page of the healthcare bill,” Baucus said, according to the Flathead Beacon. “You know why? It’s statutory language. ... We hire experts.”

              Tom Carper (D-Delaware), who also served on the Senate Finance Committee, insisted that the legislative language wasn't important:

              "I don't expect to actually read the legislative language, because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I've ever read in my life."
              https://townhall.com/tipsheet/keving...-bill-n1865814

              So, you can claim what you want, but the record is clear: Most Congressmen hadn't read even a portion of the bill, even fewer Republicans had as the Democrats kept them out of most of the deliberations on purpose, and the final bill was rushed through because the Democrats recognized they were losing their 60 person majority in the Senate come the first of the year (Scott Brown getting elected in Massachusetts).

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              • #8
                I sort of like the sound of Sen Rand Paul's plan
                http://www.cscmediagroupus.com/rober...re-replacement
                Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                  Fake news. The bill was available for all for weeks.

                  Pssst.... this is about today, not 2010... That event is long gone. Stay focused on the GOP going into this with NO plan after seven years and proceeding to cock it up.

                  Pssst…if the Dims hadn’t forced the biggest cluster**** in the history of our Republic down the throats of the taxpayers we wouldn’t need a repeal or replace measure now so 2010 is very relative.
                  Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                  • #10
                    Always keep in mind that if the Republicans do nothing Obamacare collapses under the weight of its own stupidity as a design by 2019.

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                    • #11
                      Coma.
                      Wack tac mac hey.
                      Regards.
                      Grishnak.

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                      • #12
                        ,
                        Wack tac mac hey.
                        Regards.
                        Grishnak.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                          Vote counters do not believe that the GOP Controlled House of Rep can get enough votes to pass the bill and send it to the Senate. We'll know that is still true if they postpone the Thursday floor action and vote. They will NOT allow a vote if they do not have the numbers.

                          http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-caucus-236314



                          GOP leadership claims it's going to a vote no matter, what. I say the balk and postpone. But we'll see.

                          GOP lawmakers talking to politico ? This is even better than the tales of Grimm.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                            Pssst…if the Dims hadn’t forced the biggest cluster**** in the history of our Republic down the throats of the taxpayers we wouldn’t need a repeal or replace measure now so 2010 is very relative.
                            Yes I know and agree. However immaterial to the present. It's not 2010, it's 2017 and the GOP is trying to pass Trumpcare which is nothing but Obamacare 2.0. Face it.
                            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                            “To talk of many things:
                            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                            Of cabbages—and kings—
                            And why the sea is boiling hot—
                            And whether pigs have wings.”
                            ― Lewis Carroll

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Always keep in mind that if the Republicans do nothing Obamacare collapses under the weight of its own stupidity as a design by 2019.
                              Like I've posted before. That is a recipe for disaster. Pushed by those that know the GOP is stuck in a hard place. Your idea is just the other side of the coin that has GOP disaster on both sides of it.

                              Until then Candidate Trump rise to the top they had a proper bill to repeal Obamcare, they put it on Mr Obama's desk. Less then two years later that same bill which passed with overwhelming GOP support is unacceptable. Why?
                              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                              “To talk of many things:
                              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                              Of cabbages—and kings—
                              And why the sea is boiling hot—
                              And whether pigs have wings.”
                              ― Lewis Carroll

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