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  • #31
    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
    The CIA was giving false information to Kennedy-both knew the information was false-to help Kennedy become president .

    Last year,they did it again : they gave false information to Hillary to help her to become president .

    A big purge of the security services is much needed .
    What false information did the CIA give Kennedy?

    The idea of a missile gap stemmed from a combination of paranoia caused by the Soviets success with their rockets and bluster from the Soviet Premier who boasted that the Soviets were turning out missiles like sausages.

    JFK was politically astute enough to take advantage of this idea.

    Next you'll be suggesting that Sputnik was a CIA black-ops to keep the Republicans out of the Whitehouse!

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    • #32
      So they should. Instead of the Queen you have Trump.

      I'd apologise too.
      Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

      That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
        What false information did the CIA give Kennedy?

        The idea of a missile gap stemmed from a combination of paranoia caused by the Soviets success with their rockets and bluster from the Soviet Premier who boasted that the Soviets were turning out missiles like sausages.

        JFK was politically astute enough to take advantage of this idea.

        Next you'll be suggesting that Sputnik was a CIA black-ops to keep the Republicans out of the Whitehouse!
        THERE WAS NO MISSILE GAP and the CIA and Kennedy knew it .

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        • #34
          Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
          What false information did the CIA give Kennedy?

          The idea of a missile gap stemmed from a combination of paranoia caused by the Soviets success with their rockets and bluster from the Soviet Premier who boasted that the Soviets were turning out missiles like sausages.

          JFK was politically astute enough to take advantage of this idea.

          Next you'll be suggesting that Sputnik was a CIA black-ops to keep the Republicans out of the Whitehouse!
          Nonsense : Sputnik proved that the SU had the capability to launch ICBMs, NOT that they had the capability to build them .

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          • #35
            The missile gap was in favour of the US : the CIA claimed that the SU had 100 ICBMs and the US only 10,while the truth was : US : 57;SU 10 .

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ljadw View Post
              Nonsense : Sputnik proved that the SU had the capability to launch ICBMs, NOT that they had the capability to build them .
              I believe that we have different understanding of the definition of nonsense.

              Anyway, it doesn't matter what is known today, to understand what people were thinking during the time in question we have to bear in mind what they knew then.

              They saw spectacular Soviet success with rocketry, coupled with very public American failures and Soviet bluster. So an assumption of a missile gap began to grow.

              So, what false information did the CIA give to JFK to help him beat Nixon? It can't have been the missile gap, because the perception of one was very much in public domain.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                The missile gap was in favour of the US : the CIA claimed that the SU had 100 ICBMs and the US only 10,while the truth was : US : 57;SU 10 .
                Obviously you are right, but what is the point that you're trying to make?

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                • #38
                  What spectacular Soviet successes ? The US were not in danger . In 1960 the US could nuke the SU,and the SU could not reply .

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
                    Obviously you are right, but what is the point that you're trying to make?
                    1) The CIA knew that there was a missile gap in favour of the US and the informations they gave to JFK were false

                    2 ) The CIA didn't know that there was a missile gap in favour of the US and thus the CIA was totally incompetent .

                    In both cases (liars/incompetence ) the CIA had to be purged /disbanded,because it had wasted $ billions of taxpayer's money /it was spreading lies .

                    And the CIA had not the right to give secret informations (false/wrong ) to JFK.

                    Why did the CIA give illegally this information to JFK ? Because JFK would use the information to attack Nixon .

                    A lot of people in the CIA deserved prison .

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                    • #40
                      Dulles was a liberal belonging to the eastern establishment which was hostile to Nixon .This hostility started in the McCarthy years .And a lot of people in the CIA also belonged to the eastern establishment .

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                        What spectacular Soviet successes ? The US were not in danger . In 1960 the US could nuke the SU,and the SU could not reply .
                        I'd suggest that putting the first man made object into orbit was a spectacular success.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                          1) The CIA knew that there was a missile gap in favour of the US and the informations they gave to JFK were false

                          2 ) The CIA didn't know that there was a missile gap in favour of the US and thus the CIA was totally incompetent .

                          In both cases (liars/incompetence ) the CIA had to be purged /disbanded,because it had wasted $ billions of taxpayer's money /it was spreading lies .

                          And the CIA had not the right to give secret informations (false/wrong ) to JFK.

                          Why did the CIA give illegally this information to JFK ? Because JFK would use the information to attack Nixon .

                          A lot of people in the CIA deserved prison .
                          Are you aware that during his campaign JFK was actually informed that the missile gap existed in the US's favour, but he continued to campaign on it because it gave him a political advantage?

                          Are you also aware that it was believed that a former secretary of the airforce and senator leaked the information to JFK, and not the CIA?

                          I think that you need to let this little conspiracy go.

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