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  • #16
    Originally posted by craven View Post
    Cold Arnold just cold
    More like hard but fair. Illegals do make poor witnesses. Most are poorly educated, many have drug or alcohol issues, and of course, they're criminals. That last makes them reluctant to come forward in any case. They don't want to get deported so they hide.

    As witnesses, how credible is someone with an sixth grade education who doesn't speak English and has priors? That's what you've got much of the time.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by craven View Post
      Cold Arnold just cold
      If reporting domestic abuse got you a green card, every illegal would be abused, and local LE would be shut down under a tidal wave of bogus paperwork.

      There is a system in place to emigrate legally.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by craven View Post
        Cold Arnold just cold
        That's the problem with America. We aren't willing to face Cold Hard Truth. We want to rainbows and unicorns our problems.

        Fact: Immigrants don't talk to the Police. On the street, getting information out of immigrant victims is like pulling teeth, only with more improvised sign language.

        Fact: They don't testify. They don't follow up. They cannot be found a second time to follow up with.

        Fact: The whole DV system (just talking about Domestic Violence mind you, not human trafficking or a whole host of other things) is already routinely strained to the breaking point. It's difficult enough to get native English speakers who aren't terrified of the Police (whether worried about ICE or simply thinking that like the Mexican Police we'll just shoot them and toss them in a ditch) to stay on track.

        Fact: There are not long-term prospects for a non-English speaker with no education or skillset. They don't fit into society, and if the Abuser is a part of their subset it is no simple matter to separate them long-term. Again, it's every problem that American Citizens have in the same situation.....only orders of magnitude more difficult to resolve.

        Fact: Deporting the victim back to their home town does remove them from the Abuser. If the Abuser happens to travel to their home town there are resources there to deal with it....called the local authorities who will know and be better aware of local situations.
        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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        • #19
          To bad lady, if you ignore the law you shouldn't be a judge

          Stop 'Stalking' Courthouses, Top California Judge Tells ICE

          The chief justice of California's Supreme Court accused federal immigration authorities of "stalking" local courthouses on Thursday, joined a growing chorus of officials objecting to immigration detentions at courthouses.

          In a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, state Chief Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye asked the federal government to immediately stop detaining suspected undocumented immigrants at courthouses in California.

          "Enforcement policies that include stalking courthouses and arresting undocumented immigrants, the vast majority of whom pose no risk to public safety, are neither safe nor fair," she wrote. "They not only compromise our core value of fairness but they undermine the judiciary's ability to provide equal access to justice."

          In recent weeks, state and local authorities in other jurisdictions, including Multnomah County, Oregon, and El Paso, Texas, have gone public with their objections to what they have called "raids" by agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement inside courthouses or on courthouse grounds.

          Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for ICE's Western regional office, told NBC News on Thursday that the agency had no comment on Cantil-Sakauye's letter. But she confirmed and defended the practice of detaining undocumented immigrants at courthouses in general.

          "While ICE does arrest targets at courthouses, generally it's only after investigating officers have exhausted other options," she said, noting that many local law enforcement agencies refuse to honor ICE detainer requests.

          Kice said that many of those detained at or near courthouses have previous convictions and that they would have been turned over to ICE upon their releases from jail, anyway.

          "When criminal custody transfers occur inside the secure confines of a jail or prison, it's far safer for everyone involved, including our officers and the person who's being arrested," she said.

          A particularly high-profile detention occurred Feb. 9 at the El Paso County Courthouse, where security video recorded ICE agents arresting Irvin González, a transgender woman from Mexico, who was at the courthouse to seek a protective order against her alleged abuser.

          Rep. Beto O'Rourke, D-Texas, told NBC affiliate KTSM at the time that victims of crime should be able to feel safe inside a courthouse.

          In her letter Thursday, Cantil-Sakauye sounded a similar warning.

          "I am concerned about the impact on public trust and confidence in our state court system if the public feels that our state institutions are being used to facilitate other goals and objectives, no matter how expedient they may be," she wrote.

          The ICE policy mirrors promises President Donald Trump made during his campaign last year, but it doesn't appear to be in response to the president's urgings.
          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
            That's the problem with America. We aren't willing to face Cold Hard Truth. We want to rainbows and unicorns our problems.

            Fact: Immigrants don't talk to the Police. On the street, getting information out of immigrant victims is like pulling teeth, only with more improvised sign language.

            Fact: They don't testify. They don't follow up. They cannot be found a second time to follow up with.

            Fact: The whole DV system (just talking about Domestic Violence mind you, not human trafficking or a whole host of other things) is already routinely strained to the breaking point. It's difficult enough to get native English speakers who aren't terrified of the Police (whether worried about ICE or simply thinking that like the Mexican Police we'll just shoot them and toss them in a ditch) to stay on track.

            Fact: There are not long-term prospects for a non-English speaker with no education or skillset. They don't fit into society, and if the Abuser is a part of their subset it is no simple matter to separate them long-term. Again, it's every problem that American Citizens have in the same situation.....only orders of magnitude more difficult to resolve.

            Fact: Deporting the victim back to their home town does remove them from the Abuser. If the Abuser happens to travel to their home town there are resources there to deal with it....called the local authorities who will know and be better aware of local situations.
            oh both you and Arnold are right but when you actually have someone do the right thing and then get arrested it a wtf moment. better off to no hablo

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            • #21
              Originally posted by craven View Post
              oh both you and Arnold are right but when you actually have someone do the right thing and then get arrested it a wtf moment. better off to no hablo
              No better off to immigrate legally
              "A foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse." Ulysses S. Grant

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              • #22
                Originally posted by craven View Post
                oh both you and Arnold are right but when you actually have someone do the right thing and then get arrested it a wtf moment. better off to no hablo
                No hablo doesn't help anymore. Hasn't in years.

                Legal green card holders and native-born citizens don't like to get involved, either.

                For that matter, abused women seldom ask for help.

                There's no rule against handing someone the booklet on legal immigration before they shipped off. A lot of illegals are simply too uneducated to find the information on their own.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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