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    ICE has started arresting illegals at courthouses when they appear for court. Great idea! You know when and where they'll be, know they're illegally in the US, and even know what they're charged with if appearing for a hearing as a defendant.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice...cid=spartandhp

    I find this particular part of this article disturbing, but not unexpected from the MSM:

    A 24-year-old who was awaiting retrial on a misdemeanor assault case also was arrested by ICE agents inside a Phoenix courthouse last month, according to his attorney, Philippe Martinet. He had been accepted into the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, an Obama administration initiative aimed at protecting the children of immigrants in the country illegally from deportation.
    Given this, Martinet said the arrest left many puzzled as to why ICE agents would go into a courthouse to arrest someone accepted into the DACA program.
    Maybe they arrested him because he's a friggin' criminal...? Ya think?!

  • #2
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    ICE has started arresting illegals at courthouses when they appear for court. Great idea! You know when and where they'll be, know they're illegally in the US, and even know what they're charged with if appearing for a hearing as a defendant.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice...cid=spartandhp

    I find this particular part of this article disturbing, but not unexpected from the MSM:



    Maybe they arrested him because he's a friggin' criminal...? Ya think?!
    Atop the crime of entering the USA illegally, which Obama's DACA was meant to "work around", these arrests are based upon later crimes, which void DACA for the criminal individual.
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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    • #3
      SANTA CRUZ (CBS SF) – Ten alleged gang members arrested in Santa Cruz, Watsonville and Daly City on Monday have been charged with offenses including drug trafficking and conspiracy to commit extortion by force, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
      A federal grand jury on Monday indicted seven of the men for conspiring to extort drug dealers and three for conspiring to traffic methamphetamine.
      The suspects are allegedly members of Santa Cruz Salvatrucha Locos 13, a subset of the Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) gang, according to court papers filed by the government Monday.
      After a five-year federal investigation, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security along with police from Santa Cruz, Watsonville, Santa Clara and Daly City arrested the alleged gang members at homes in Santa Cruz County and Daly City starting around 4 a.m. Monday.
      More than 200 local and federal law enforcement officers participated in the early morning arrests.
      Velarmino “Meduza” Escobar Ayala, Tomas “Profugo” or “Caballo” Rivera, Ismael “Casper” Alvarenga Rivera, Willfredo “Chino” Edgardo Ayala, Jose David “Largo” Abrego Galdamez, Melvin “Sharky” Lopez and Alexander “Pocar” Martinez Flores are facing extortion charges, prosecutors said.
      According to the indictment, the seven men had conspired to threaten Santa Cruz drug dealers and those close to them with violence in order to take their property.
      If convicted, the defendants face a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
      Gerber “Choco” Morales, Emilio “Diablo” Escobar Abarnga and Josue Alcedis “Penguino” Escobar Cerritos allegedly conspired to engage in drug trafficking, prosecutors said.
      Since March 2015, the three men conspired to possess with intent to distribute 50 grams or more of a substance containing a detectable amount of meth.
      Members of Santa Cruz’s immigrant community expressed widespread alarm at the action, which involved Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials, given recent ICE raids in Southern California and elsewhere around the country, according to University of California at Santa Cruz sociologist Paul Johnston.
      Santa Cruz police responded to the concerns by releasing a statement Monday evening emphasizing that the raids were part of the long-term investigation into the gang rather than any sort of immigration or deportation action.
      “The Santa Cruz Police Department is extraordinarily aware of the fear that exists in our community regarding immigration raids,” police said in the statement.
      “This operation was not associated with enforcement of federal immigration nor deportation investigations. The City of Santa Cruz and the Santa Cruz Police Department does not and will not participate in immigration enforcement or arrests,” police said. “The men arrested during today’s operation were all members of a violent criminal organization that has preyed upon and threatened the community.”
      All 10 defendants made appearances before U.S. Magistrate Judge Nathanael Cousins on Monday.
      If convicted, the defendants accusing of conspiring to commit extortion face a maximum sentence of 20 years and prison and a $250,000 fine. Those convicted of conspiracy to possess 50 grams or more of methamphetamine with the intent to distribute it face a maximum of 40 years in prison and a $5 million fine, prosecutors said.


      The disturbing part for me is this- The City of Santa Cruz and the Santa Cruz Police Department does not and will not participate in immigration enforcement or arrests,” police said.


      Is this even legal? Can LEO's decide that they will not enforce the laws and publicly state that?
      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
        The disturbing part for me is this- The City of Santa Cruz and the Santa Cruz Police Department does not and will not participate in immigration enforcement or arrests,” police said.


        Is this even legal? Can LEO's decide that they will not enforce the laws and publicly state that?
        More to the point... What if local police decided not to respond to bank robberies? After all, that's a federal crime too... I bet the local population would have a new chief of police PDQ if that were the case...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
          Is this even legal? Can LEO's decide that they will not enforce the laws and publicly state that?
          Its local politics. The city administration or county government sets the policy.

          Sheriffs are politicians, Chiefs are political appointees.

          Its been done a lot over the years ago.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            Its local politics. The city administration or county government sets the policy.

            Sheriffs are politicians, Chiefs are political appointees.

            Its been done a lot over the years ago.
            Absolutely correct, Example: during the 80s here in my County we had a Sheriff that had his deputies remove and escort them to the County line INS (then called Immigration) officials when they tried to conduct raids on industries and businesses here, telling them, that He was the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in this County, he was the Sheriff here for 12 years, now we can't even keep one for 4 years, that's how much times and the mood of the Country has changed.
            Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
              Absolutely correct, Example: during the 80s here in my County we had a Sheriff that had his deputies remove and escort them to the County line INS (then called Immigration) officials when they tried to conduct raids on industries and businesses here, telling them, that He was the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in this County, he was the Sheriff here for 12 years, now we can't even keep one for 4 years, that's how much times and the mood of the Country has changed.
              Is that true? Does local law enforcement take precedent over federal officials diligently pursuing criminals in violation of federal law? How is this legal?
              I know that there are so-called "sanctuary cities" where the local law enforcement community is discouraged from actively participating with or abetting immigration officials but stops short of actually hindering their ability to carry out their lawful mandate.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                Is that true? Does local law enforcement take precedent over federal officials diligently pursuing criminals in violation of federal law? How is this legal?
                I know that there are so-called "sanctuary cities" where the local law enforcement community is discouraged from actively participating with or abetting immigration officials but stops short of actually hindering their ability to carry out their lawful mandate.
                Keep in mind that local agencies cannot enforce the Federal Code. So there is no mandate involved.

                It is a cooperation issue; ICE needs to house illegals in local jails until they can be transported to Federal facilities. If a Sheriff refuses to accept such inmates, there is no legal obligation to do so.

                Federal LE is carefully kept separate from local/State LE. That is why the 'Obama will declare martial law' theory was so funny: no POTUS has any control over state/local LE, which make up roughly 95% of LEOs in the USA.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  Keep in mind that local agencies cannot enforce the Federal Code. So there is no mandate involved.
                  I meant ICE's mandate - sorry I should've worded it better.

                  Acknowledged that local LE has no reason to enforce federal law but mustn't it stop short of actually hindering federal agents who are legally serving out warrants/raids etc?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                    I meant ICE's mandate - sorry I should've worded it better.

                    Acknowledged that local LE has no reason to enforce federal law but mustn't it stop short of actually hindering federal agents who are legally serving out warrants/raids etc?
                    Things get pretty dicey when it goes there. The feds in theory can wholly ignore local le. However, in practice the locals outnumber the feds on the ground by such a margin that they will typically go away rather than initiate a confrontation.

                    A case of results not being worth resources.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                      I meant ICE's mandate - sorry I should've worded it better.

                      Acknowledged that local LE has no reason to enforce federal law but mustn't it stop short of actually hindering federal agents who are legally serving out warrants/raids etc?
                      Cases such as Trung Si described are rare, but not unheard of.

                      Back in the 80-s there was a lot of ill-will between the Feds and local/state LE over the Feds gunning for civil rights violations. That has since ended, and until Bobo things had largely recovered. Over the last six years there had again been a decline in relationships due to Bobo's policy of harassing state/local LE.

                      Hopefully the next eight years will mend the fences.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                        SANTA CRUZ (CBS SF) – Ten alleged gang members arrested in Santa Cruz, Watsonville and Daly City on Monday have been charged with offenses including drug trafficking and conspiracy to commit extortion by force, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
                        A federal grand jury on Monday indicted seven of the men for conspiring to extort drug dealers and three for conspiring to traffic methamphetamine.
                        The suspects are allegedly members of Santa Cruz Salvatrucha Locos 13, a subset of the Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) gang, according to court papers filed by the government Monday.
                        After a five-year federal investigation, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security along with police from Santa Cruz, Watsonville, Santa Clara and Daly City arrested the alleged gang members at homes in Santa Cruz County and Daly City starting around 4 a.m. Monday.
                        More than 200 local and federal law enforcement officers participated in the early morning arrests.
                        Velarmino “Meduza” Escobar Ayala, Tomas “Profugo” or “Caballo” Rivera, Ismael “Casper” Alvarenga Rivera, Willfredo “Chino” Edgardo Ayala, Jose David “Largo” Abrego Galdamez, Melvin “Sharky” Lopez and Alexander “Pocar” Martinez Flores are facing extortion charges, prosecutors said.
                        According to the indictment, the seven men had conspired to threaten Santa Cruz drug dealers and those close to them with violence in order to take their property.
                        If convicted, the defendants face a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
                        Gerber “Choco” Morales, Emilio “Diablo” Escobar Abarnga and Josue Alcedis “Penguino” Escobar Cerritos allegedly conspired to engage in drug trafficking, prosecutors said.
                        Since March 2015, the three men conspired to possess with intent to distribute 50 grams or more of a substance containing a detectable amount of meth.
                        Members of Santa Cruz’s immigrant community expressed widespread alarm at the action, which involved Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials, given recent ICE raids in Southern California and elsewhere around the country, according to University of California at Santa Cruz sociologist Paul Johnston.
                        Santa Cruz police responded to the concerns by releasing a statement Monday evening emphasizing that the raids were part of the long-term investigation into the gang rather than any sort of immigration or deportation action.
                        “The Santa Cruz Police Department is extraordinarily aware of the fear that exists in our community regarding immigration raids,” police said in the statement.
                        “This operation was not associated with enforcement of federal immigration nor deportation investigations. The City of Santa Cruz and the Santa Cruz Police Department does not and will not participate in immigration enforcement or arrests,” police said. “The men arrested during today’s operation were all members of a violent criminal organization that has preyed upon and threatened the community.”
                        All 10 defendants made appearances before U.S. Magistrate Judge Nathanael Cousins on Monday.
                        If convicted, the defendants accusing of conspiring to commit extortion face a maximum sentence of 20 years and prison and a $250,000 fine. Those convicted of conspiracy to possess 50 grams or more of methamphetamine with the intent to distribute it face a maximum of 40 years in prison and a $5 million fine, prosecutors said.


                        The disturbing part for me is this- The City of Santa Cruz and the Santa Cruz Police Department does not and will not participate in immigration enforcement or arrests,” police said.


                        Is this even legal? Can LEO's decide that they will not enforce the laws and publicly state that?
                        California is very proud of its status as a sanctuary state, and has often excluded themselves from various laws, except for those that they use to their own advantage such as stopping an entire construction program to protect a useless little fish.

                        Remember, though, Obama, Bush and many others picked and chose what laws they would enforce, so there is a very strong precedent.

                        Governors, BTW, do it too.
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          what I do find interesting in your guys discussion is skipping over the part of enforcement which is what if no one testifies or calls the cops because of ICE.

                          It to early to tell what effect this will have but personally I would want the illegal woman who was abused to actually get protection and deal with a violent criminal than deport here.

                          Will illegal immigrants testify against others. I am guessing it already hard to get them to.

                          and yes in the main story they got a bad guy but once it known ICE is hanging out at court houses any smart illegal immigrant is going to be very helpful to law enforcement

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by craven View Post
                            what I do find interesting in your guys discussion is skipping over the part of enforcement which is what if no one testifies or calls the cops because of ICE.

                            It to early to tell what effect this will have but personally I would want the illegal woman who was abused to actually get protection and deal with a violent criminal than deport here.

                            Will illegal immigrants testify against others. I am guessing it already hard to get them to.

                            and yes in the main story they got a bad guy but once it known ICE is hanging out at court houses any smart illegal immigrant is going to be very helpful to law enforcement
                            The illegal woman should be deported. That will protect her from an abuser and solve her criminal status.

                            Illegals make very poor witnesses, because they are, as the defense attorney will dwell upon at some length, criminals.

                            Deporting illegals solves a great deal of crime.
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              The illegal woman should be deported. That will protect her from an abuser and solve her criminal status.

                              Illegals make very poor witnesses, because they are, as the defense attorney will dwell upon at some length, criminals.

                              Deporting illegals solves a great deal of crime.
                              Cold Arnold just cold

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