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    A thread was started on this a few years back and recently a few of the Confederate flag wavers were sentenced to hard time. I feel bad for the two being sentenced they seem a bit scared. But when one hears the allegations put against the defendants a prison sentence could be be viewed as appropriate.

    In July 2015, a group of 15 people calling themselves “Respect the Flag” boarded several pickup trucks, each outfitted with Confederate and American flags, and embarked on a drive around Douglasville, Ga., a small city west of Atlanta.

    Tensions concerning the Confederate flag were already high. Barely a month had passed since Dylann Roof, the avowed white supremacist who had posed with the Confederate battle flag, killed nine black Americans at a church in Charleston.

    And the small Respect the Flag group went far beyond a display of Confederate pride. Hatred, a Georgia judge said during a sentencing Monday, propelled the group as they descended upon a child’s birthday party, unleashed a storm of death threats and anti-black slurs, and pointed a shotgun.


    ....

    The members of the group, two of whom pleaded guilty, were convicted in early February.

    Following the convictions, the Douglas County district attorney issued a statement clarifying that this case was not an issue of the First Amendment but of harassment.

    “Many people tried to make the case about simply flying the Confederate battle flag. However, it wasn’t about that at all,” Fortner said in the statement. “Instead, this case was about a group of people riding around our community, drinking alcohol, harassing and intimidating our citizens because of the color of their skin.

    The judge handed down the final two sentences on Monday. Torres was sentenced to 20 years, serving 13 in prison. The mother of his children, Kayla Rae Norton, 25, was sentenced to 15 years and will serve six. After their prison terms, they will be banished from Douglas County. They were found in violation of Street Gang Terrorism and Prevention Act; Norton was found guilty of violating the act as well as a count of making terroristic threats. The jury convicted Torres of three counts of aggravated assault, one count of making terroristic threats and one count of violating the act.



    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/2...error-charges/
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    People still flying that flag are degenerate cowards, proof here that they target a child's birthday party. No real man would do that regardless of their beliefs.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      People still flying that flag are degenerate cowards, proof here that they target a child's birthday party. No real man would do that regardless of their beliefs.
      Yes. But twenty years? People have gotten less than that for actually killing people.
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      • #4
        WOT ????
        20 years for being dumb !!!???

        Sorry , I can't stand these guys , but the sentence is utterly stupid.
        How can the justice be trusted when she puts in the same bag ,terrorists and hillbilly's ?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Salinator View Post
          Yes. But twenty years? People have gotten less than that for actually killing people.
          Yeah that is absolutely ridiculous to be honest.
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          • #6
            They were waving a shotgun around in the faces of the children. IF it was just the flag would be another story.

            The sentence is ridiculous.

            With the gun added isn't that considered a form of assault?
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            • #7
              Waving the flag merits a few months, the gun makes a big difference and should turn months into years. But 20 does seem a lot unless they actually injured or tried to injure someone.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                Waving the flag merits a few months, the gun makes a big difference and should turn months into years. But 20 does seem a lot unless they actually injured or tried to injure someone.
                The source is the SLPC, which left out a large amount of facts.

                The key charge was aggravated assault, ie, pointing a shotgun at one or more subjects.

                The sentence was two-tier: up to thirteen years in prison (likely three served), up to seven years community service (likely one).

                Assuming the case survives appeal.

                Waving any flag is not a crime in the USA. The Stars & Bars is flown by the State of Texas in hundreds, possibly thousands of official displays across the state. Bobo has posed in front of several of them, as has every other POTUS. Individual display is not a crime.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  The source is the SLPC, which left out a large amount of facts.

                  The key charge was aggravated assault, ie, pointing a shotgun at one or more subjects.

                  The sentence was two-tier: up to thirteen years in prison (likely three served), up to seven years community service (likely one).

                  Assuming the case survives appeal.

                  Waving any flag is not a crime in the USA. The Stars & Bars is flown by the State of Texas in hundreds, possibly thousands of official displays across the state. Bobo has posed in front of several of them, as has every other POTUS. Individual display is not a crime.
                  The SPLC was not the source of the article in the OP.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                    People still flying that flag are degenerate cowards, proof here that they target a child's birthday party. No real man would do that regardless of their beliefs.
                    I agree. Let me also say that one of the victims forgave the two defendants...now I believe our LE system on a case by case basis should entertain allowing for the defendants to be set free only if the victim of the crime agrees to such a situation. And in this case I find that it would be appropriate to set the defendant's free if the victims agreed. In a case of say murder or assault well then perhaps the defendant is going to have to serve some jail time even if the victims forgive the defendant. Wrt the case of the OP I find that 5+ years is too stiff a sentence, the punishment does not fit the crime in this case of young adult hooligans running around with their confederate flags being rude to people and pointing shotguns...those Confederates were lucky btw that they did not get shot after pointing the shotgun.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      The source is the SLPC, which left out a large amount of facts.

                      The key charge was aggravated assault, ie, pointing a shotgun at one or more subjects.

                      The sentence was two-tier: up to thirteen years in prison (likely three served), up to seven years community service (likely one).

                      Assuming the case survives appeal.

                      Waving any flag is not a crime in the USA. The Stars & Bars is flown by the State of Texas in hundreds, possibly thousands of official displays across the state. Bobo has posed in front of several of them, as has every other POTUS. Individual display is not a crime.
                      Sounds as if you have the same problem that we do - time served is only a fraction of time sentenced (unless the prisoner is incredibly dumb once inside) so to get the offender to do any meaningful time the judge has to give as big a sentence as the guidelines allow them to do. I'm sure many of us would be happier with the judge handing down shorter sentences if there was a guarantee that unless there were very exceptional circumstances that would be the time served.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        ...Waving any flag is not a crime in the USA. The Stars & Bars is flown by the State of Texas in hundreds, possibly thousands of official displays across the state...Individual display is not a crime...
                        I agree and does not make anyone a "degenerate coward."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          The source is the SLPC, which left out a large amount of facts.

                          The key charge was aggravated assault, ie, pointing a shotgun at one or more subjects.

                          The sentence was two-tier: up to thirteen years in prison (likely three served), up to seven years community service (likely one).

                          Assuming the case survives appeal.

                          Waving any flag is not a crime in the USA. The Stars & Bars is flown by the State of Texas in hundreds, possibly thousands of official displays across the state. Bobo has posed in front of several of them, as has every other POTUS. Individual display is not a crime.
                          But wasn't the Confederate Flag ruled a "racist symbol" and forbidden?

                          And how does a state flag compare to a Confederate battle flag covering the entire South during the Civil War?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                            Sounds as if you have the same problem that we do - time served is only a fraction of time sentenced (unless the prisoner is incredibly dumb once inside) so to get the offender to do any meaningful time the judge has to give as big a sentence as the guidelines allow them to do. I'm sure many of us would be happier with the judge handing down shorter sentences if there was a guarantee that unless there were very exceptional circumstances that would be the time served.
                            Actual time served over here (not counting appears) varies, but a third to half seems about standard for 'good time' reductions.

                            In the 80s in Texas non-violent offenders got 12 day's credit for each day served without violation of rules. It is now 3 days credit per day served. Violent offenders get two.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                              Yes. But twenty years? People have gotten less than that for actually killing people.
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