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  • The ‘deep state’ is real. The Washington Post thinks so

    The attached article makes a very good argument,
    What say you?
    Here’s a fact for the media to chew on: The “deep state” is here. As outlined in Foreign Policy, the concept of the deep state is nothing new. But the Trump presidency may serve as the galvanizing force that links some of the formal established Democratic opposition forces, including MoveOn.org, government unions and Black Lives Matter with the informal deep-state cadre of disgruntled liberal bureaucrats, the hostile mainstream media and the usual suspects on the left. It’s a troubling phenomenon, with anti-Trump organizations and Democratic-aligned civil servants conspiring to actively work against the incumbent government.

    There might not be any central command guiding the deep-state actions, but it’s not hard for card-carrying Democratic party members, the mainstream media, liberal think tanks, government unions and other anti-Republican liberals of various stripes to naturally form into a collective grain that runs contrary to whatever elected Republicans in Congress and now in the White House want to accomplish. It’s just like when a school of fish move in unison, choreographed not because of some planned effort, but because it is in their nature. The bias against President Trump has become frantic, and the Democrats and their allies in the media overreach almost daily in attacking the president and Republicans in general.

    “Deep state” is a sexy new label being used in Washington to describe embedded anonymous bureaucratic bias against President Trump and Republican rule. Specifically, the deep state is leaking documents, making confidential conversations public, pushing rogue social media accounts and otherwise acting in an underhanded manner to discredit the president, his Cabinet and the policy objectives of the Republicans. The use of encrypted chat programs to communicate and the continued leaks to various media outlets are just the start. Their tactics are beginning to spread to other Democratic sympathizers and form a continuous partisan assault both from within the government and from outside groups.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.6ede6a35a187
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    Can't read it due to a pay wall.

    On a superficial level though, I do like the re-purposing of an old phrase. Still, I will always associate that term with the derin devlet of Turkey.

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    • #3
      Here's Wikipedia's article on the matter.

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      • #4
        Its the Post. Odds are it is just wishful thinking.

        Bobo had problems with leaks throughout his time in office. Once more of his appointees are bumped out and Trump loyalists move in, it will die down, but in the end the bureaucrats leak like a sieve.

        And with Trump trying to reduce waste a lot of Federal employees are going to be sweating.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Its the Post. Odds are it is just wishful thinking.

          Bobo had problems with leaks throughout his time in office. Once more of his appointees are bumped out and Trump loyalists move in, it will die down, but in the end the bureaucrats leak like a sieve.

          And with Trump trying to reduce waste a lot of Federal employees are going to be sweating.
          It is what is leaked. I would not want the CIA pissed off at me.
          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            Its the Post. Odds are it is just wishful thinking.

            Bobo had problems with leaks throughout his time in office. Once more of his appointees are bumped out and Trump loyalists move in, it will die down, but in the end the bureaucrats leak like a sieve.

            And with Trump trying to reduce waste a lot of Federal employees are going to be sweating.
            Obama also had one of the most opaque administrations in recent American history. I've pointed it out before, but there was a government study in which they revealed they themselves were wrongfully denying freedom of information requests around 1/3 of the time.

            What makes Obama and Bush's tenures different from Trump, leak wise, is that both of them were politicians who had people who knew how to run a presidency on hand. They were both embraced by the establishment and were not the outsiders some tried to paint them as. Trump is a major outsider, and I think that is reflected in the relationship between Trump and the bureaucracy.

            It also doesn't help that Trump sorta made enemies early through his rhetoric. People are still people, even in the public sector.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
              Obama also had one of the most opaque administrations in recent American history. I've pointed it out before, but there was a government study in which they revealed they themselves were wrongfully denying freedom of information requests around 1/3 of the time.

              What makes Obama and Bush's tenures different from Trump, leak wise, is that both of them were politicians who had people who knew how to run a presidency on hand. They were both embraced by the establishment and were not the outsiders some tried to paint them as. Trump is a major outsider, and I think that is reflected in the relationship between Trump and the bureaucracy.

              It also doesn't help that Trump sorta made enemies early through his rhetoric. People are still people, even in the public sector.
              Couldn't agree more.
              Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                Couldn't agree more.
                People tend to forget something when complaining about the "establishment": they are the establishment because they established themselves through winning elections and being successful politicians. For all the romanticism about being a political outsider, it can also be a risk and a weakness.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                  People tend to forget something when complaining about the "establishment": they are the establishment because they established themselves through winning elections and being successful politicians. For all the romanticism about being a political outsider, it can also be a risk and a weakness.
                  Outsiders challenge their fiefdoms, they fear being exposed as the frauds they are.
                  But the OP is not about that so much as it is about the shadow politicos, embedded in government bureaucracies, especially those in the intelligence industry.
                  Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                  Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                  • #10
                    The Washington Post is maybe one tiny step above the National Enquirer, hardly anything to inspire Americans or to be held up as a glorious standard of truth in journalism.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      The Washington Post is maybe one tiny step above the National Enquirer, hardly anything to inspire Americans or to be held up as a glorious standard of truth in journalism.
                      There are many sources you would deny. So what?
                      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        Obama also had one of the most opaque administrations in recent American history. I've pointed it out before, but there was a government study in which they revealed they themselves were wrongfully denying freedom of information requests around 1/3 of the time.

                        What makes Obama and Bush's tenures different from Trump, leak wise, is that both of them were politicians who had people who knew how to run a presidency on hand. They were both embraced by the establishment and were not the outsiders some tried to paint them as. Trump is a major outsider, and I think that is reflected in the relationship between Trump and the bureaucracy.

                        It also doesn't help that Trump sorta made enemies early through his rhetoric. People are still people, even in the public sector.
                        Bureaucracy by it's nature tends to draw more from the political Left than from the Right. Most on the political Right are Free Enterprise focused and likely to be in business of their own or others, inclined to work for merit and profit motive. The political Left is less inclined to take risks in business and market economies and will tend to go for the "security" of a guv'mint job. More than just a Democrat vs. Republican thing, Trump is the ideology of free enterprise versus the careers of 'hands in the public trougth'. The "swamp to drain" is the blotated and over-powered bureaucracy, and that's why they are working to obstruct and thwart the outsider Trump, whose agenda is to reduce their size and budgets.
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • #13
                          Skull & Bones.... anyone?

                          Something semi-related;
                          (its time to have something fun here)


                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxftoId86UI

                          "Why is the Rum gone?"

                          -Captain Jack

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                            Bureaucracy by it's nature tends to draw more from the political Left than from the Right. Most on the political Right are Free Enterprise focused and likely to be in business of their own or others, inclined to work for merit and profit motive. The political Left is less inclined to take risks in business and market economies and will tend to go for the "security" of a guv'mint job. More than just a Democrat vs. Republican thing, Trump is the ideology of free enterprise versus the careers of 'hands in the public trougth'. The "swamp to drain" is the blotated and over-powered bureaucracy, and that's why they are working to obstruct and thwart the outsider Trump, whose agenda is to reduce their size and budgets.
                            I think we can agree that people receiving public funds for public jobs certainly do love to put their hands in the trough. But the American people support that: that's why they don't privatize the FDA or the military.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              There are many sources you would deny. So what?

                              This coming from someone who constantly belittled my news sources? So make up your mind for a change...that's "what".

                              The Washington Compost doesn't even meet the standards of Fox News, or the Onion.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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