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  • What happens if NYC's power grid takes a hit?

    Here's the scenario: incident or attack forces the shutdown of two of the aging nuke plants that supply NYC. You are now looking at power rationing, rolling brownout, the whole nine yards.

    You are looking at extended repairs for the plants even if the tree-huggers stay out of it.

    So: where would Wall Street go?

    What else do you think would move out?

    What would be the long-term effects of such an incident?
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    There would be a massive commercial loss as corporations left. There is still some docks that could handle business. Hope that this happens in the Summer!

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    • #3
      Short term, it'd be a problem. Long term, nah. They'd shift power from elsewhere to cover the loss. Businesses that needed power immediately would simply truck in diesel generators to keep essential operations up and running.

      Back up and peaking plants could make up some of the loss as well. Installed emergency generators would also cover some essential services.

      It'd be no worse than the rolling brown outs California experienced a decade or so ago due to short-sighted laws attempting to open the grid up to competition.

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      • #4
        Hmm...interesting question. If Wall Street needed to move, I think that it would just go online. For physical locations, if there were rolling brownouts for weeks or months, probably Chicago first as it already has a lot of the stock exchange apparatus.

        After that, then likely Dallas as it's a growing market area.
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        • #5
          A wave of births hits 9 months later. Having lived in upper west side for almost 3 years, I can recall at least 2 blackouts lasting over 30 minutes. 9 months later there are "blackout" babies......what better thing to do in the dark?
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          • #6
            Is there an assumption here that financial services are still headquartered in Wall Street, or even NYC? Nasdaq is the future of trading markets, and even modest firms have backup offices in other locations. The disruption would likely be minimal.
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            • #7
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...ackout_of_1977
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              • #8
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                Is there an assumption here that financial services are still headquartered in Wall Street, or even NYC? Nasdaq is the future of trading markets, and even modest firms have backup offices in other locations. The disruption would likely be minimal.
                Geographically remote disaster recovery centers are pretty much the norm for any industry which relies on electricity and data.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  Here's the scenario: incident or attack forces the shutdown of two of the aging nuke plants that supply NYC. You are now looking at power rationing, rolling brownout, the whole nine yards.

                  You are looking at extended repairs for the plants even if the tree-huggers stay out of it.

                  So: where would Wall Street go?

                  What else do you think would move out?

                  What would be the long-term effects of such an incident?
                  One would be a huge spike in births, as happened during the famous blackout many years ago.

                  Practically speaking, power would quickly be restored to the key agencies and the rest of the city would be left hanging. What do you think would happen if the grid failed in Washington, DC? Think our entire government would move? Not a chance. Power to the government buildings and the rest could go fish.

                  Of course, out here in the real world, where powers failures occur commonly during blizzards and extreme storms, most average people like Pax and I have back-up power supplies.

                  Maybe New York could crank up those massive generators under Grand Central Station.

                  Economically, there would be a huge increase in jobs for a few years in order to restore the power grid, over-balanced by all of the businesses that cannot do a single thing without jigawatts of power. Hardest hit would be stores, which cannot function any longer without laser scanners and computerized registers. That unfortunately includes grocery stores, so a mass movement of less financially well off residents would likely take place, leaving the well off high and dry and forced to actually fend for themselves for a change. After all, without commuter trains and the subway system, how do any of them get to work? No cabs or buses, because it take juice to pump gasoline.

                  I suspect that the National Guard would be called in to keep things staggering roughly along for the very basics, like water and MRE's. (yecch)

                  I'd like to see that, personally.
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                  • #10
                    "Pedal faster, Margaret!! Half-time's almost over..."

                    The power blackouts of the past have given rise to the contingency plans of today. MM is absolutely correct in saying that the much needed power would go where it is much needed. The rest would have to get along without or get it in small doses like much of the third world.
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                    • #11
                      I'd like to see that, personally
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        Ah, a true American Pateofrot
                        Damn skippy!
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                        • #13
                          Well, it could be worse... The scenario could have been set in a "Welfare city" like Baltimore or New Orleans... Imagine the looting that would take place...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            Well, it could be worse... The scenario could have been set in a "Welfare city" like Baltimore or New Orleans... Imagine the looting that would take place...


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
                              Taking shoes after a flood.........wonder why they would do that
                              Here was the mass looting in Bushwick, Brooklyn, during the 1977 Blackout.



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