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  • #16
    If it takes $7 billion in subsidies to operate, it's not longer financially viable, because that cost is passed directly to the poor customers and taxpayers.

    The huge problem with nuclear power is that the plants cannot be torn down and rebuilt to modern standards, but must be left in place almost forever while still be maintained and watched constantly.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #17
      ...time to skedaddle...

      Here on the short seacoast we have an aging nuclear power plant (Seabrook Station) that has recently been given a license to operate for another 30 years. There is a problem, however, not with the design of the containment apparatus but with the actual concrete that was used to build it. Seabrook Station is built on a salt marsh and the ambient environment is making the concrete "sick". I wonder how many years it actually has in its future. I'm thinking way less than thirty.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
        Here on the short seacoast we have an aging nuclear power plant (Seabrook Station) that has recently been given a license to operate for another 30 years. There is a problem, however, not with the design of the containment apparatus but with the actual concrete that was used to build it. Seabrook Station is built on a salt marsh and the ambient environment is making the concrete "sick". I wonder how many years it actually has in its future. I'm thinking way less than thirty.
        Be sure and have all your kids now, before your testicles start glowing.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Acheron View Post
          How many towns and villages are still ghosttowns due to BP?

          The scary thing about Fukushima is, that the big bad Tsunami caused it not by the sheer power of the enormous wave, but simply by destroying some generators via flooding, something almost all nuclear power plants everywhere are potentially susceptible to.

          The plant itself survived the Tsunami just fine with its containment building, but the generators were damaged by the incoming water and the rest is history.
          Another design flaw. If those generators had been inland a bit on higher ground rather than in the basement of the plant itself, even if they'd been above ground at the plant, they probably to certainly would have survived the tsunami and the rest of the story would be bland reading.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            If it takes $7 billion in subsidies to operate, it's not longer financially viable, because that cost is passed directly to the poor customers and taxpayers.

            The huge problem with nuclear power is that the plants cannot be torn down and rebuilt to modern standards, but must be left in place almost forever while still be maintained and watched constantly.
            Easier solution: Simply build the new reactor(s) and plant within the existing containment. Only the primary containment (eg., shielding immediately around the reactor) and reactor vessel are "hot" in terms of contamination. The remainder of the primary side of the plant is low level radiation or all but non-existent levels of radiation. If the secondary containment needs repairs or strengthening, do it at the same time.

            That bogus whine of the environmentalists that the radiation "lasts forever" is utter BS. For instance iron, the primary constituent of most of the plant's materials has half lives for the active isotopes measured in minutes of hours.
            So, while there might be some "hot" materials because of other elements present, most of the plant will be a relatively low level radiation hazard in a matter of years at most. The primary high level hazard will be the spent fuel. But, even that can be cleaned up and partially reused.

            Nor does this stuff need "...constant watch(ing)." It isn't going to get more radioactive nor is it going to suddenly become critical and start fissioning. Nuclear power isn't some Boogyman. It's manageable, safe, and would be very useful if only the fear mongering and hysteria surrounding it were to end.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Easier solution: Simply build the new reactor(s) and plant within the existing containment. Only the primary containment (eg., shielding immediately around the reactor) and reactor vessel are "hot" in terms of contamination. The remainder of the primary side of the plant is low level radiation or all but non-existent levels of radiation. If the secondary containment needs repairs or strengthening, do it at the same time.

              That bogus whine of the environmentalists that the radiation "lasts forever" is utter BS. For instance iron, the primary constituent of most of the plant's materials has half lives for the active isotopes measured in minutes of hours.
              So, while there might be some "hot" materials because of other elements present, most of the plant will be a relatively low level radiation hazard in a matter of years at most. The primary Scores of horror moves high level hazard will be the spent fuel. But, even that can be cleaned up and partially reused.

              Nor does this stuff need "...constant watch(ing)." It isn't going to get more radioactive nor is it going to suddenly become critical and start fissioning. Nuclear power isn't some Boogyman. It's manageable, safe, and would be very useful if only the fear mongering and hysteria surrounding it were to end.
              Scores of horror movies put the lie to your claim. Everything from giant carnivorous rabbits to zombies are caused by lingering radiation...
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                Scores of horror movies put the lie to your claim. Everything from giant carnivorous rabbits to zombies are caused by lingering radiation...
                Well, we can always use more 50' tall women...

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