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    Attack on Alt-Right Leader Has Internet Asking: Is It O.K. to Punch a Nazi?

    That is not a brainteaser or a hypothetical question posed by a magazine on Twitter. It is an actual question bouncing around the internet after an attack on a well-known far-right activist, Richard B. Spencer, in Washington after the inauguration of Donald J. Trump as president on Friday.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/u...ed-attack.html

    The NY times has apparently labeled Mr Richard Spencer, who gained some fame during Trumps campaign, as a Nazi. To my knowledge Mr Spencer does not even identify as a Nazi.

    Let it be known I disagree with the title of the following video, but here is the video of Mr Spencer getting punched in the face.



    IMO freedom of speech protects Mr Spencer. I disagree with Mr Spencer's views but I also disagree with attacking a man who presents viewpoints that might be construed as bigoted or pro Third Reich. And that is what the media outlets and social media are discussing, which is whether or not its ok to attack someone who presents controversial views.
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    This is the same guy that was yelling "Hail Trump" while giving the Nazi salute at a rally. White nationalist is an accurate descriptor for him and even that is being nice.

    As we see with the thread about Madonna, Colin Kaepernick, among other examples many on the right do draw the line on free speech somewhere. Let's reverse things for a moment. What if this was a member of the black panthers receiving his level of coverage all while expressing racist views towards whites. What would the response be?

    Personally, I feel he can say and hold whatever views he wants. He has the right to express those views in public as well. We cannot and should not arrest him, deport him or exert any other form of punishment on him. However, if he gets punched in the face for being the **** he is, I'm not obligated to feel bad for him. Hate begets hate.
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    • #3
      I view Nazis the same way the Blues Brothers view them. On the other hand the Nazis in that movies were clearly identified as such. Just because you think someone is a Nazi does not mean you should clock them on general purposes. Of course arseh0les are sometimes fair game...

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      • #4
        https://twitter.com/richardbspencer/...92099009097729

        "Anime—indeed, even anime porn—has done more to advance European civilization than the Republican Party. "

        Behind his Schinder's list haircut, he is apparently part of new type of nazi, one that fetishizes asian women and anime porn.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          Attack on Alt-Right Leader Has Internet Asking: Is It O.K. to Punch a Nazi?

          That is not a brainteaser or a hypothetical question posed by a magazine on Twitter. It is an actual question bouncing around the internet after an attack on a well-known far-right activist, Richard B. Spencer, in Washington after the inauguration of Donald J. Trump as president on Friday.



          https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/u...ed-attack.html

          The NY times has apparently labeled Mr Richard Spencer, who gained some fame during Trumps campaign, as a Nazi. To my knowledge Mr Spencer does not even identify as a Nazi.

          Let it be known I disagree with the title of the following video, but here is the video of Mr Spencer getting punched in the face.



          IMO freedom of speech protects Mr Spencer. I disagree with Mr Spencer's views but I also disagree with attacking a man who presents viewpoints that might be construed as bigoted or pro Third Reich. And that is what the media outlets and social media are discussing, which is whether or not its ok to attack someone who presents controversial views.
          Not unless he attacks me first, although I certainly understand and sympathize with the feelings of the attacker.

          Of course, if the attacker is Jewish and lost family in the Holocause - fire away!!
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          • #6
            No. Assaulting someone is almost never an acceptable thing. There might be the extremely rare case where "fighting words" or the like come into play. But, that would be an incitement by the person assaulted.

            We don't see that here. What we see, is the Left being the Left. The "mob" around this guy starts by heckling him. They don't want to let this guy have his say, or any freedom of speech if they can stop it. Then one of them gets brave enough to sucker punch the guy and run away. That is typical Leftist behavior. Nothing new there.

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            • #7
              Agreed on the cowardice.

              I agree that "Fighting Words" aren't protected speech and the violence they incite against the utterer is his own fault. If I came up to you and told you that I was going to kick your arse, or got in your face and yelled F*ck you, or told you what I was going to do to your wife/girlfriend....then I richly deserve the arse kicking that receive.

              Outside of that....well speech is to be protected, even speech that is not agreed with, or speech that is a little wild. After all, the idea of votes, or freed slaves, or even freedom of speech were very wild when they were young.
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              • #8
                Going around hitting people for their political beliefs is exactly what the Nzis believed in.

                So the person throwing the punch is the Nazi.
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                • #9
                  For the most part I have found Mr. Spencer to be "spot on" regards the dangers of Islamic Radicalism/Fundamentalism as a "Clear and Present Danger" to Western Culture/Society and the Constitutional concepts of Personal Liberty and Freedoms of Expression. Hence an attack upon him is an attack upon those principles and concepts!

                  There are "Forces of the Dark Side" opertive upon this planet and they must be fought and resisted by what ever means are needed.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    Going around hitting people for their political beliefs is exactly what the Nzis believed in.

                    So the person throwing the punch is the Nazi.
                    Agreed and exactly!

                    The operative "Nazis" in the USA and Western Civ trend to be mostly, if not largely(wholey) of the polititcal Left;, the Demonscrats~"LIberals"~Regressives.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      We don't see that here. What we see, is the Left being the Left. The "mob" around this guy starts by heckling him.
                      Are you saying we should do away with heckling? Isn't that free speech? So, what your saying is you are for free speech only when you agree with it?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Anthrax View Post
                        Are you saying we should do away with heckling? Isn't that free speech? So, what your saying is you are for free speech only when you agree with it?
                        Actually, speech intended to incite a response (heckling) has not been protected under the Bill of Rights since 1934.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Anthrax View Post
                          Are you saying we should do away with heckling? Isn't that free speech? So, what your saying is you are for free speech only when you agree with it?
                          Depends on what's said. Some heckling is protected, other forms aren't.

                          For example, if you are shouting at a speaker retorts to his speech, that's protected. If instead, you are hurling personal insults and calling the speaker horrible things, that isn't.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Anthrax View Post
                            Are you saying we should do away with heckling? Isn't that free speech? So, what your saying is you are for free speech only when you agree with it?
                            Just pointing out it is illogical, illrational, juvenile, immature, and plain stupid, hence not worthy of serious consideration. a.k.a. it is useless drivel. Otherwise, carry on and prove how useless 'you' are to real society and common social growth. Love having the deadwood reveal itself!
                            Last edited by G David Bock; 24 Jan 17, 12:37.

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                            • #15
                              Sticks and stones. Words are just noise.

                              Now infringe on my personal space. Ie, touch me rudely I feel justified in using force to stop them. Anybody object to me defending my personal space?

                              Just setting a standard...
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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