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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    There was a Russian in the gym last night with a Trump t shirt on. Just saying...
    That is the strongest proof of the Russian effect that I have heard to date.

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  • Surrey
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    There was a Russian in the gym last night with a Trump t shirt on. Just saying...

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Still boils down to the truth being told. If the Hillabeast wasn't cheating, if Bobo hadn't turned a blind eye, they wouldn't have had any issue.

    The truth set us free.
    Hell yeah.
    The Dems are shouting out all sorts of nonsense to cover-up the fact that it was all true.

    Hillary cheated to beat Berny, the establishment connived with her to try to do the same thing to Trump at every turn, and she even talked about "droning" Assange... and Wikileaks exposed all of it.

    This Neo-McCarthyism by the Left is not just silly, it is also a last-ditch effort to sabotage relations with Russia.

    The only question i have about all this is ; why do the Globalists want war with Russia so desperately?

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by craven View Post
    No Russia violated the rules having the info and using it to inform policy is one thing. weaponizing and using it this way is a different ball game.

    for example we spy they spy but spys usually do not kill each other as that is part of the rules. (at least for the major countries) When it does occur both sides start knocking off each other till they go um ok that enough of this and go back to business as usual.
    I disagree entirely, and most likely we don't even know to what extend other countries are doing similar things and with what kind of proficiency. Russia is just starting, IMO, others have had time to perfect their ball game.

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  • III Corps
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    ...Allegations Against Russia Less Credible Every Day...
    Not from where I sit. They only folks I've heard mention "not credible" are the Russians.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    I did.

    Classified material is definitely not in the public interest. We lost assets, people ended up in prison, operations were compromised. Terrorism got a leg up because of those idiots.

    The DNC emails released were not even non-classified, they were private emails. Non-governmental. Not even all that protected under law.

    And contained truths which hurt no person but the guilty.

    The Hillabeast cannot claim to be a legitimate candidate coming out of a rigged primary. Yet she almost became POTUS.

    As I've said many times before: The truth came out, and the only thing the DNC wants to complain about is who ratted them out.

    That is the issue here: the calm, bold, open repudiation of integrity by the DNC.
    Server hacks from "somewhere in Russia" revealed DNC actions of negative ethics and/or potential illegality, yet the outrage is that Trump might have smiled at Putin while shaking his hand ... sometime within the past year or two.

    Watch for that "falling sky" ...

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by craven View Post
    Public good argument works for classified info as well as non classified (btw you saw this one coming right)
    I did.

    Classified material is definitely not in the public interest. We lost assets, people ended up in prison, operations were compromised. Terrorism got a leg up because of those idiots.

    The DNC emails released were not even non-classified, they were private emails. Non-governmental. Not even all that protected under law.

    And contained truths which hurt no person but the guilty.

    The Hillabeast cannot claim to be a legitimate candidate coming out of a rigged primary. Yet she almost became POTUS.

    As I've said many times before: The truth came out, and the only thing the DNC wants to complain about is who ratted them out.

    That is the issue here: the calm, bold, open repudiation of integrity by the DNC.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by craven View Post
    no it was an issue way before she lost it was drowned out by Trump
    Secondly Obama hands were tied until after election otherwise if Hillary won people would of been saying oh Obama made this up for her to win.

    Obama was in a no win situation on this one.

    It just all they got. they hit up a wide array of government and semi government agencies and X number of people clicked a link when they shouldn't of.

    Remember this was not a james bond operation just standard lets see what we can get. Then Putin goes hey look at what we got we can mess with Hillary. yadda yadda. DNC was just one of a number of targets initially
    Still boils down to the truth being told. If the Hillabeast wasn't cheating, if Bobo hadn't turned a blind eye, they wouldn't have had any issue.

    The truth set us free.

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Nope. They stole classified material. No comparison.

    This situation is utterly different.



    If you think that was the best dirt they could come up with on the Hillabeast, your theory might work.

    But I really don't see it.

    Especially since it did not become an issue until after she lost.
    Public good argument works for classified info as well as non classified (btw you saw this one coming right)

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Nope. They stole classified material. No comparison.

    This situation is utterly different.



    If you think that was the best dirt they could come up with on the Hillabeast, your theory might work.

    But I really don't see it.

    Especially since it did not become an issue until after she lost.
    no it was an issue way before she lost it was drowned out by Trump
    Secondly Obama hands were tied until after election otherwise if Hillary won people would of been saying oh Obama made this up for her to win.

    Obama was in a no win situation on this one.

    It just all they got. they hit up a wide array of government and semi government agencies and X number of people clicked a link when they shouldn't of.

    Remember this was not a james bond operation just standard lets see what we can get. Then Putin goes hey look at what we got we can mess with Hillary. yadda yadda. DNC was just one of a number of targets initially

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by craven View Post
    s o you support the release of Manning and no charges being brought against Snowden they did public good according to a fairly significant part of the US population.
    Nope. They stole classified material. No comparison.

    This situation is utterly different.

    Originally posted by craven View Post
    no james bond stuff they were just doing normal intel gathering and decided to use it. Hell I am assuming we got similar stuff on everyone else in the world. This is what intel agencies do collect info. What different is how it was used this time.
    If you think that was the best dirt they could come up with on the Hillabeast, your theory might work.

    But I really don't see it.

    Especially since it did not become an issue until after she lost.

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Except that they told the truth about the Hillabeast.

    This wasn't some set-up, even the DNC admits it was true.

    I don't see it as a Russian op. Too much risk for no reward. Trump will replace the intel chiefs with his own people and the rift will be healed.

    The GOP doesn't see Trump as illegitimate. The DNC will never see him as anything but. The rest don't care.

    Occaam's razor: the emails were hacked from a unsecure server, likely with a disgruntled DNC staffer.

    That makes a lot more sense than the James Bond stuff.
    PE Trump thinks they did.... Nice to see some healthy skepticism from you about PE Trump...

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by Karri View Post
    Exactly, I wouldn't be surprised all this fuss is because CIA/NSA/whatever are angry that someone is disturbing a playfield that used to be all theirs.
    No Russia violated the rules having the info and using it to inform policy is one thing. weaponizing and using it this way is a different ball game.

    for example we spy they spy but spys usually do not kill each other as that is part of the rules. (at least for the major countries) When it does occur both sides start knocking off each other till they go um ok that enough of this and go back to business as usual.

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  • MarkV
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    In WW2 The Axis intelligence and the Allied intelligence probably used much the same techniques - does this make the Axis the equivalent of the Allies? Don't be naive

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by craven View Post
    no james bond stuff they were just doing normal intel gathering and decided to use it. Hell I am assuming we got similar stuff on everyone else in the world. This is what intel agencies do collect info. What different is how it was used this time.
    Exactly, I wouldn't be surprised all this fuss is because CIA/NSA/whatever are angry that someone is disturbing a playfield that used to be all theirs.

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