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  • #16
    The anti Trump rhetoric by the left needs to be examined in this case if for no other reason than there is a string of these events. Nutcase or not the possibility of motivations related to irresponsible establishment views remains important.
    We hunt the hunters

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    • #17
      Potential oops...
      His motive was not immediately known, but evidence emerged that could connect Santiago to both Islamic extremism and mental illness.

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      • #18
        The suspect, who is unharmed and in federal custody, reportedly told the FBI in November that he was hearing voices in his head, that the government "controlled his mind" and "forced" him to watch Isis videos.
        Yet another crazed gunman that our crack team at the FBI (reportedly) knew about, but he can still get a gun into an airport and fly.

        This is also, I believe the 2nd time, a gunman has said that they were under government mind control.

        No way to validate any of these claims at this point it could be complete fabrication, but if true we have some serious issues with our FBI and DHS. If the above isn't a red flag I don't know what is.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Although the media is calling it a "shooting" the lack of a description of the gunman and that there were multiple casualties means its almost certainly:

          A. A terrorist act.
          B. A Muslim shooter.
          C. That they are connected to Islamic terrorist groups.

          http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/for...cid=spartandhp
          To be fair, that is a reasonable starting point. If there is a mass casualty attack in the west, the first question journo's are going to ask is whether it is terrorism.

          The BBC rushed to tell us that the San Berdino attackers were three white men, willing to take an early punt in its glee and relief that it could report on something horrible not connected with Islam.

          In this case, there may be a jihadi link, even if someone mentally disturbed watching jihadi videos. There are a number of mentally ill people at risk from 'voices' telling them to kill.
          Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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          • #20
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            We shall see. At this point, terrorism is still a strong possibility as the shooter was Purto Rican and there are a number of very violent pro-nationalist terrorist groups there like FLAN.
            - emphasis mine

            It's FALN. The "FLAN" of which you speak is a rich dessert.



            The only terrorism committed by flan is against one's arteries.

            With regards to the FALN-PR, they haven't been active in thirty years. The bulk of them were either captured or killed, mostly in bomb-making accidents, if memory serves.

            But hey: Spics, Sand-Ni**ers --- they're all olive-skinned, so no real difference there.
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
              Yet another crazed gunman that our crack team at the FBI (reportedly) knew about, but he can still get a gun into an airport and fly.

              This is also, I believe the 2nd time, a gunman has said that they were under government mind control.

              No way to validate any of these claims at this point it could be complete fabrication, but if true we have some serious issues with our FBI and DHS. If the above isn't a red flag I don't know what is.
              Excerpt from a USA Today article.
              In November,*Santiago appeared unannounced in the FBI offices in Anchorage, complaining that the Islamic State had gained control of his mind and*was urging him to fight on its behalf.
              The FBI conducted a background check, learning of his military record, which included service in Iraq, but found no connection to terror groups. Determining that the man apparently needed psychiatric care, the FBI alerted local law enforcement and turned him over to their custody for a medical referral.*It is not clear whether Santiago received treatment following that incident.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                This is also, I believe the 2nd time, a gunman has said that they were under government mind control.
                .
                A common delusion and not confined to the USA.
                Hearing voices
                It is estimated that between 5% and 28% of the general population hears voices that other people do not.

                Hearing voices is an auditory hallucination that may or may not be associated with a mental health problem. It is the most common type of hallucination in people with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia. However, a large number of otherwise healthy individuals have also reported hearing voices.
                Of those hearing voices about 75% show no signs of mental disorder and as they age the phenomena fades away.

                A great many people with certain mental problems hear voices that often give them orders that they feel a compulsion to obey but fortunately only a small minority actually commit violence on other people. Given this and without a proper clinical diagnosis its difficult to see how the FBI could do much about the guy much less ban him from flying. The way the gun was carried checked is legal but it does seem plain daft to specify that it has to be unloaded but allow carriage of ammunition in the same bag
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #23
                  The Nov Alaskan interview:

                  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...icials-n704081

                  In November, Santiago walked into the FBI's office in Anchorage and claimed his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency and the CIA was forcing him to watch ISIS videos, federal law enforcement officials told NBC News.
                  In his world the Feds were the ones controlling his mind and they were making him what ISIL videos.

                  Investigators are scouring Santiago’s electronics and digital media, a law enforcement official familiar with the case told The Washington Post. They’re trying to determine what videos Santiago actually watched, if he had any real contact with Islamic State sympathizers and whether that motivated him to carry out the shooting.
                  Federal law enforcement officials said that Santiago had told the FBI that the CIA was forcing him to watch Islamic State propaganda videos to control his mind. After interviewing Santiago’s relatives and conducting other reviews and checking with other agencies, the bureau closed its assessment of him.
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                    Given this and without a proper clinical diagnosis its difficult to see how the FBI could do much about the guy much less ban him from flying.
                    Its sad that a simple Brit had to point out the obvious.

                    Being crazy isn't a crime in the USA, a fact a few posters here should be grateful for.

                    As has been exhaustively explained in countless other threads, you cannot deny a subject his or her rights based simply on mental condition. It requires a (very difficult) court proceeding.

                    Had the guy gone to a medical facility and told that story, it might have played out differently (emphasis on might), but he did not.

                    LE agencies are very restricted in this area, mainly because you do not want the police to have that kind of power.

                    As to the weapon and ammunition, they would be i the plane's cargo hold, inaccessible to anyone while in flight.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #25
                      Being crazy isn't a crime in the USA, a fact a few posters here should be grateful for.
                      Why some could become donut tasters Others prefer the donut holes

                      You have been advised many times by the moderators to cease your crude and unprovoked personal insults. You may think you are being humourous, however it is quite disruptive and contrary to ACG rules.

                      Take a day off to reflect on your attitude and behavior.

                      I shall not be so kind next time.







                      Last edited by Bad Wolf; 07 Jan 17, 17:01.
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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