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    https://www.policeone.com/mass-casua...rdale-airport/
    Shooter alive and in custody.
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    America today Killings and shooting daily. What has changed no negatively in the last 20 years?
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    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
      America today Killings and shooting daily. What has changed no negatively in the last 20 years?
      The problem is John, we just need more and more guns on the streets and then this will never happen. Right? or so some will argue here.

      Hell, lets apply the argument that always comes up 'that more guns on the streets is the answer', to drugs. There is so much rampant drug abuse, lets just sell heroin, crack, meth, weed, acid in corner stores. That's the answer to solving the drug problem.

      What has changed is our morality. We love violence - in our movies, in our music, in our games. We have the damn internet that spreads hatred in the Middle East to the streets of downtown USA. We allow one's to hide behind constitutional rights to perpetrate crimes. We allow people on no fly lists to purchase guns because hey, its their right. Should I go on?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by DeltaOne View Post
        The problem is John, we just need more and more guns on the streets and then this will never happen. Right? or so some will argue here.

        Hell, lets apply the argument that always comes up 'that more guns on the streets is the answer', to drugs. There is so much rampant drug abuse, lets just sell heroin, crack, meth, weed, acid in corner stores. That's the answer to solving the drug problem.

        What has changed is our morality. We love violence - in our movies, in our music, in our games. We have the damn internet that spreads hatred in the Middle East to the streets of downtown USA. We allow one's to hide behind constitutional rights to perpetrate crimes. We allow people on no fly lists to purchase guns because hey, its their right. Should I go on?
        The problem is when you're dealing with people deranged enough to commit mass murder a gun law is not going to make them rethink their plans. If someone is willing to commit mass murder they obviously won't care about breaking any gun laws either. Said plans will also not be foiled as it's extremely easy to purchase guns illegally in the same manner that it's easy to purchase drugs illegally despite strict government control over them. No amount of gun legislation will change that.

        The core problem is absolutely cultural. This country thrives off of hate and violence. Our political system has created an environment in which we're constantly pitted against one another. There is always some degree of tension and animosity in America and no one is interested in changing that.
        Last edited by TactiKill J.; 06 Jan 17, 14:35.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
          America today Killings and shooting daily. What has changed no negatively in the last 20 years?
          Per capita homicides and crimes are down from 20 years ago.

          What changed is 24 hour worldwide media keeping a breathless tally.

          There's always been violence in America. It goes back to the beginning of the country. But the per capita chance of dying from violence has been shrinking.
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          • #6
            Posted in other thread. Killer very likely to have got off plane from Canada with weapon and ammo. Went into latrine, loaded up and started shooting after he got his checked bag.

            So, not really a good example of guns in the US.... possibly. We'll see more as things develop.

            This is interesting.

            http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...124963889.html

            The suspected gunman was identified as Esteban Santiago, law enforcement officers told the Miami Herald. He is thought to have been a passenger on a flight from Canada that landed at FLL at around noon with a checked gun in his baggage. After retrieving his bag, he is believed to have gone into the bathroom and loaded the weapon. Then he stepped into the Terminal 2 baggage-claim area and began shooting.

            Santiago was carrying some form of military ID. He is suspected of being a former U.S. Army soldier from the New Jersey area.
            Typically a bagging claim attack would be from someone simply parking in the garage and walking in as they have no security check. Taking it from a checked bag is something I've not heard of before.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
              The problem is when you're dealing with people deranged enough to commit mass murder a gun law is not going to make them rethink their plans. If someone is willing to commit mass murder they obviously won't care about breaking any gun laws either. Said plans will also not be foiled as it's extremely easy to purchase guns illegally in the same manner that it's easy to purchase drugs illegally despite strict government control over them. No amount of gun legislation will change that.
              True.

              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
              The core problem is absolutely cultural. This country thrives off of hate and violence.
              Untrue. By an large we are far more mellow than our ancestors and about as mellow as our parents.

              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
              Our political system has created an environment in which we're constantly pitted against one another. There is always some degree of tension and animosity in America and no one is interested in changing that.
              True but even then violence is fairly minimal.

              A lot of what causes anti gun hysteria and violence hysteria in general is people looking at numbers and forgetting the percentages. We are a large country so naturally we have lots of crime and when you watch 24 hour news its easy to get tricked into thinking that our country is a meat grinder. But the truth is the odds of becoming a victim of violence are quite small.

              Cars kill more people per capita than guns. If you aren't afraid to drive a car you shouldn't be afraid of guns.

              For my part, I'm terrified of car accidents and not afraid of guns. I fear according to statistics.
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              • #8
                The childish notion that a person willing to commit murder will hesitate over breaking a gun law is the least viable argument possible.

                The affair is looking to be a mental health incident, although that is not confirmed so far as I can tell.

                Still, it has some interesting aspects.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  ... The affair is looking to be a mental health incident, although that is not confirmed...
                  I agree. A potential nut case.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                    Posted in other thread. Killer very likely to have got off plane from Canada with weapon and ammo. Went into latrine, loaded up and started shooting after he got his checked bag.

                    So, not really a good example of guns in the US.... possibly. We'll see more as things develop.

                    This is interesting..

                    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...124963889.html



                    Typically a bagging claim attack would be from someone simply parking in the garage and walking in as they have no security check. Taking it from a checked bag is something I've not heard of before.
                    Agree. Very strange. What are the laws for carrying a weapon and ammo on a plane?

                    He may be from NJ. His name is no indication of whether or not this was islamic terrorism or whatever terrorism. For some strange reason, the media made it a point to state he was wearing a Star Wars t-shirt.This will certainly be an interesting story as it pans out.

                    Well, the only thing we know for sure right now is that it was pre-meditated.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Posted in other thread. Killer very likely to have got off plane from Canada with weapon and ammo. . . . .
                      Never tried to check a firearm before. Thought that only LE could do that, but never really investigated the matter. Live and learn . . . .

                      Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                      . . . . He may be from NJ. . . . . For some strange reason, the media made it a point to state he was wearing a Star Wars t-shirt.
                      Christ on a fcking cross! This guy's a two-strike loser.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                        Agree. Very strange. What are the laws for carrying a weapon and ammo on a plane?
                        Unloaded and in carry-on baggage, the last few times I've done it as a private citizen. That may not be current.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                          Per capita homicides and crimes are down from 20 years ago.

                          What changed is 24 hour worldwide media keeping a breathless tally.

                          There's always been violence in America. It goes back to the beginning of the country. But the per capita chance of dying from violence has been shrinking.
                          The homicide rate is still four times that of the UK. Even Israel which has on going terrorist issues is safer.

                          Looking at the list it is surprising how many places that I would regard as a bit dodgy are safer than the US.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                            Unloaded and in carry-on baggage, the last few times I've done it as a private citizen. That may not be current.
                            That is still correct. Ammo can be in the same bag but the gun can't be loaded. It has to be declared at the counter when you check your bag. The TSA inspects it and tags the inside of the bag. There are no outside tags IDing a firearm.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                              Looking at the list it is surprising how many places that I would regard as a bit dodgy are safer than the US.
                              You mean like the set of a kids' television show in England?

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