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  • Trump Wins Electoral College

    HAHAHAHA

    BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump wins Electoral College - as attempts to cause rebellion turn to farce with DEMOCRATS deserting Hillary
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ect-Trump.html
    Flag: USA / Location: West Coast

    Prayers.

    BoRG

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PtsX_Z3CMU

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    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      So the campaign to elect an honest, non racist, non misogynistic, non populus, a person who you could trust the nuclear football with, a person who will defend the constitution has resulted in more people deserting Clinton than Trump.

      I never trusted the wisdom of the people but maybe I should start.
      We hunt the hunters

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      • #4
        Progressive protesters react to the news...

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        • #5
          Butt, butt, butt what happened to the college professors predictions of 20 defections?
          Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
            Butt, butt, butt what happened to the college professors predictions of 20 defections?
            They have about as good a record with economic predictions.

            The problem with professors is they think that the reductionist world that composes most intellectual work is the real world. Realists are just delusional dupes who cannot comprehend that the world is a computer game in the minds of modern intellectuals. While it certainly looks like they may be right in so far as the universe increasing looks like an informational system more than the old clockwork model that does not make it anymore reducible.

            An intellectual breakthrough is needed to forgo reductionist procedures that have been so useful in expanding our understanding of the world but are becoming a road block to progress. Undirected models that reproduce the evolutionary process is one possible solution but we don't have the computing power to do much in that direction at the moment.

            Even determinism itself seems to be falling under question in the light of quantum mechanics. For now it is fine to be a compatibilist but I'm not putting any bets on randomness not playing a more significant role in a computational universe than most people would allow.
            We hunt the hunters

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            • #7
              Random Probability bounces off of Free Will, ... sparks fly ... trajectories alter ... .... variables increase ...

              ... it's a crap shoot of the dice ...
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
              Present Current Events are the Future's History

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              • #8
                Thanks to the media, we get to celebrate a 2nd time... ?

                Meh, I'm kinda partied-out, but the rest of you can have a ball!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                  Butt, butt, butt what happened to the college professors predictions of 20 defections?
                  William F. Buckley, Jr. wrote, "I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University."

                  And why?

                  "Not, heaven knows, because I hold lightly the brainpower or knowledge or generosity or even the affability of the Harvard faculty: but because I greatly fear intellectual arrogance, and that is a distinguishing characteristic of the university which refuses to accept any common premise. In the deliberations of two thousand citizens of Boston I think one would discern a respect for the laws of God and for the wisdom of our ancestors which does not characterize the thought of Harvard professors--who, to the extent that they believe in God at all, tend to believe He made some terrible mistakes which they would undertake to rectify; and, when they are paying homage to the wisdom of our ancestors, tend to do so with a kind of condescension toward those whose accomplishments we long since surpassed."
                  Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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                  • #10
                    Not wanting to start another thread, and this closest to the subject ...
                    In defense of the electoral college
                    It's a stabilizing force for our democracy, even if you didn't like the results of last week's election.
                    EXCERPTS:
                    There is hardly anything in the Constitution harder to explain, or easier to misunderstand, than the electoral college. And when a presidential election hands the palm to a candidate who comes in second in the popular vote but first in the electoral college tally, something deep in our democratic viscera balks and asks why the electoral college shouldn’t be dumped as a useless relic of 18th century white, gentry privilege.

                    Actually, there have been only five occasions when a closely divided popular vote and the electoral vote have failed to point in the same direction. No matter. After last week’s results, we’re hearing a litany of complaints: the electoral college is undemocratic, the electoral college is unnecessary, the electoral college was invented to protect slavery — and the demand to push it down the memory hole.

                    All of which is strange because the electoral college is at the core of our system of federalism. The Founders who sat in the 1787 Constitutional Convention lavished an extraordinary amount of argument on the electoral college, and it was by no means one-sided. The great Pennsylvania jurist James Wilson believed that “if we are to establish a national Government,” the president should be chosen by a direct, national vote of the people. But wise old Roger Sherman of Connecticut replied that the president ought to be elected by Congress, since he feared that direct election of presidents by the people would lead to the creation of a monarchy. “An independence of the Executive [from] the supreme Legislature, was in his opinion the very essence of tyranny if there was any such thing.” Sherman was not trying to undermine the popular will, but to keep it from being distorted by a president who mistook popular election as a mandate for dictatorship.
                    ...
                    Above all, the electoral college had nothing to do with slavery. Some historians have branded the electoral college this way because each state’s electoral votes are based on that “whole Number of Senators and Representatives” from each State, and in 1787 the number of those representatives was calculated on the basis of the infamous 3/5ths clause. But the electoral college merely reflected the numbers, not any bias about slavery (and in any case, the 3/5ths clause was not quite as proslavery a compromise as it seems, since Southern slaveholders wanted their slaves counted as 5/5ths for determining representation in Congress, and had to settle for a whittled-down fraction). As much as the abolitionists before the Civil War liked to talk about the “proslavery Constitution,” this was more of a rhetorical posture than a serious historical argument. And the simple fact remains, from the record of the Constitutional Convention’s proceedings (James Madison’s famous Notes), that the discussions of the electoral college and the method of electing a president never occur in the context of any of the convention’s two climactic debates over slavery.

                    If anything, it was the electoral college that made it possible to end slavery, since Abraham Lincoln earned only 39 percent of the popular vote in the election of 1860, but won a crushing victory in the electoral college. This, in large measure, was why Southern slaveholders stampeded to secession in 1860-61. They could do the numbers as well as anyone, and realized that the electoral college would only produce more anti-slavery Northern presidents.
                    ...
                    The states of the union existed before the Constitution, and in a practical sense, existed long before the revolution. Nothing guaranteed that, in 1776, the states would all act together, and nothing that guaranteed that after the Revolution they might not go their separate and quarrelsome ways, much like the German states of the 18th century or the South American republics in the 19th century. The genius of the Constitutional Convention was its ability to entice the American states into a “more perfect union.” But it was still a union of states, and we probably wouldn’t have had a constitution or a country at all unless the route we took was federalism.

                    The electoral college was an integral part of that federal plan. It made a place for the states as well as the people in electing the president by giving them a say at different points in a federal process and preventing big-city populations from dominating the election of a president.

                    Abolishing the electoral college now might satisfy an irritated yearning for direct democracy, but it would also mean dismantling federalism. After that, there would be no sense in having a Senate (which, after all, represents the interests of the states), and further along, no sense even in having states, except as administrative departments of the central government. Those who wish to abolish the electoral college ought to go the distance, and do away with the entire federal system and perhaps even retire the Constitution, since the federalism it was designed to embody would have disappeared.
                    ...
                    None of that, ironically, is liable to produce a more democratic election system. There are plenty of democracies, like Great Britain, where no one ever votes directly for a head of the government. But more important, the electoral college actually keeps presidential elections from going undemocratically awry because it makes unlikely the possibility that third-party candidates will garner enough votes to make it onto the electoral scoreboard.

                    Without the electoral college, there would be no effective brake on the number of “viable” presidential candidates. Abolish it, and it would not be difficult to imagine a scenario where, in a field of a dozen micro-candidates, the “winner” only needs 10 percent of the vote, and represents less than 5 percent of the electorate. And presidents elected with smaller and smaller pluralities will only aggravate the sense that an elected president is governing without a real electoral mandate.

                    The electoral college has been a major, even if poorly comprehended, mechanism for stability in a democracy, something which democracies are sometimes too flighty to appreciate. It may appear inefficient. But the Founders were not interested in efficiency; they were interested in securing “the blessings of liberty.” The electoral college is, in the end, not a bad device for securing that.
                    ...
                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.9d6693f76874
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                    Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                      Butt, butt, butt what happened to the college professors predictions of 20 defections?
                      Remember the guy CE posted the thread on, predicting Clinton's EC score before the election?
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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