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  • US Fed. Judge: PA hacking suspicion 'borders on the irrational'

    PA, WI and MI should sue Clinton's Troll for every dime she raised for these absurd recounts...
    A federal judge on Monday issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania’s presidential election, won by Republican Donald Trump, and scan some counties’ election systems for signs of hacking.

    In his 31-page decision, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party’s lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office.

    [...]

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydai...icle-1.2908001
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  • #2
    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    PA, WI and MI should sue Clinton's Troll for every dime she raised for these absurd recounts...
    A federal judge on Monday issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania’s presidential election, won by Republican Donald Trump, and scan some counties’ election systems for signs of hacking.

    In his 31-page decision, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party’s lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office.

    [...]

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydai...icle-1.2908001
    Irrational Lefties think the the vote count was hacked, irrational rightist think that millions of illegals voted and that is why they lost the popular vote count. Which of those irrational beliefs will have a bed in the White House?
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      Irrational Lefties think the the vote count was hacked, irrational rightist think that millions of illegals voted and that is why they lost the popular vote count. Which of those irrational beliefs will have a bed in the White House?
      The one that hasn't filed junk lawsuits and attempted to overturn the Election on the basis of fake news.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
        The one that hasn't filed junk lawsuits and attempted to overturn the Election on the basis of fake news.
        Harmless activities. Don't worry me much. Will be forgot in a blink of time. I worry about people holding irrational believes that also hold power.
        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
        “To talk of many things:
        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
        Of cabbages—and kings—
        And why the sea is boiling hot—
        And whether pigs have wings.”
        ― Lewis Carroll

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
          Harmless activities. Don't worry me much. Will be forgot in a blink of time. I worry about people holding irrational believes that also hold power.
          Then you should be thrilled to see this clown leave town...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
            Then you should be thrilled to see this clown leave town...

            Maybe wrong, but not irrational.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              Maybe wrong, but not irrational.
              It's every bit as irrational as saying that 2 million illegal aliens voted for Clinton. Both assertions are unsupported.

              "97%" is wrong and irrational. It's actually a bald-face lie.

              "Climate change is real"... No schist, Sherlock. It always has been and always will be real. Stating the obvious as if it's novel, is irrational.

              "Man-made"... Some of it is. This number is un-quantifiable. The inference that all climate change is man-made, is, at best, ignorant.

              "Dangerous" is wrong and irrational. Climate change can be beneficial, detrimental or neither.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                It's every bit as irrational as saying that 2 million illegal aliens voted for Clinton. Both assertions are unsupported.

                "97%" is wrong and irrational. It's actually a bald-face lie.

                "Climate change is real"... No schist, Sherlock. It always has been and always will be real. Stating the obvious as if it's novel, is irrational.

                "Man-made"... Some of it is. This number is un-quantifiable. The inference that all climate change is man-made, is, at best, ignorant.

                "Dangerous" is wrong and irrational. Climate change can be beneficial, detrimental or neither.
                Not at all. as a laymen there are experts that but forward that theory. There are no experts that support the PE belief in millions of illegal aliens voting.

                Not the same at all.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                  Not at all. as a laymen there are experts that but forward that theory. There are no experts that support the PE belief in millions of illegal aliens voting.

                  Not the same at all.
                  There are no "experts" that put forward the "theory" that "97% of scientists agree that climate change is real, man-made and dangerous."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                    There are no "experts" that put forward the "theory" that "97% of scientists agree that climate change is real, man-made and dangerous."
                    Sorry Doc, the President and others based their beliefs on the opinions of experts in the field. You don't think they are correct. Sounds fine to me.

                    PE Trump basis his claim on nothing but irrational belief.
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Sorry Doc, the President and others based their beliefs on the opinions of experts in the field. You don't think they are correct. Sounds fine to me.
                      Then cite an actual scientific publication that says this...

                      "97% of scientists agree that climate change is real, man-made and dangerous."

                      99.99999% of scientists would agree that climate chage is real. A majority of atmospheric scientists (52-67%) think that humans are the cause of at least half of the warming that has occurred since 1850 (52%) and 1950 (67%). However, they are quite divided on how beneficial or detrimental future climate change may become. So, Obama's delusional Tweet has some anchors in reality.

                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer
                      PE Trump basis his claim on nothing but irrational belief.
                      That is 100% wrong. Trump's numbers, like Obama's, may not be right or even verifiable; however, there is ample evidence that quite a few, maybe millions, of illegal votes have been cast in the last several elections...
                      Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

                      Media Bias: Not surprisingly, the media take seriously and support Jill Stein's and Hillary Clinton's excellent vote-recount adventure, despite there being no indication a recount is needed. Heck, even President Obama agrees — Donald Trump won, period. But when Trump dares to suggest in a Sunday tweet that illegal aliens voted in the election, the media respond with massive denial.

                      [...]

                      [I]n fact, it's almost certain that illegals did vote — and in significant numbers. Whether it was three million or not is another question.

                      While states control the voter registration process, some states are so notoriously slipshod in their controls (California, Virginia and New York — all of which have political movements to legalize voting by noncitizens — come to mind) that it would be shocking if many illegals didn't vote. Remember, a low-ball estimate says there are at least 11 million to 12 million illegals in the U.S., but that's based on faulty Census data. More likely estimates put the number at 20 million to 30 million.

                      [...]

                      [T]here is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

                      "We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

                      More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

                      Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

                      [...]

                      What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?

                      When the far left began insinuating that the Russians had hacked the election, the media treated the nonsupported claims with the utmost of respect. They still do. But not Trump's suggestion that illegals voted, and in large numbers, mainly for Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

                      And, yes, Trump is right: Illegal votes may in part explain why Hillary now has a nearly two-million-vote lead in the popular vote, even though she lost convincingly in the Electoral College. A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why.

                      Yes, there is room for skepticism of any claim that's made. But every vote cast by someone who isn't by law permitted to vote disenfranchises American citizens. The charge should at least be taken seriously.

                      [...]

                      http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...-vote-in-2016/
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                      • #12
                        IBD opinion/editorial. Enough said.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                          IBD opinion/editorial. Enough said.


                          Penalty declined...
                          Electoral Studies
                          Volume 36, December 2014, Pages 149–157


                          Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?

                          Jesse T. Richmana, , , , Gulshan A. Chatthab, c, 1, , David C. Earnestb,

                          http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.electstud.2014.09.001

                          Highlights
                          • First use of representative sample to measure non-citizen voting in USA.
                          • Some non-citizens cast votes in U.S. elections despite legal bans.
                          • Non-citizens favor Democratic candidates over Republican candidates.
                          • Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress.
                          • Voter photo-identification rules have limited effect on non-citizen participation.


                          Abstract

                          In spite of substantial public controversy, very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections. Although such participation is a violation of election laws in most parts of the United States, enforcement depends principally on disclosure of citizenship status at the time of voter registration. This study examines participation rates by non-citizens using a nationally representative sample that includes non-citizen immigrants. We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

                          http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...61379414000973
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                          • #14
                            One journal. Got it. How many journals publish on man made global warming? Do I have to believe them also because they are a journal?
                            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                            “To talk of many things:
                            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                            Of cabbages—and kings—
                            And why the sea is boiling hot—
                            And whether pigs have wings.”
                            ― Lewis Carroll

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                              Irrational Lefties think the the vote count was hacked, irrational rightist think that millions of illegals voted and that is why they lost the popular vote count. Which of those irrational beliefs will have a bed in the White House?
                              There is a big difference between expressing a belief and filing a lawsuit.


                              Anyway, the Washington Post seemed to think Illegals could sway an election too. (per a 2014 article)

                              How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.519c6a13f787

                              That said, Trump's statement is not the equivalent of Stein's demands for a recount. And Trump's statement doesn't make Stein's statement any less irrational.
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