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    Just because the past two presidents didn't give a €rap doesn't mean we should stand around like sheep awaiting slaughter

    MINEOLA, N.Y. (AP) - As he sat down for an interview with Time magazine for his "person of the year" profile, Donald Trump explained his tough view on illegal immigration by retrieving a copy of the Long Island newspaper Newsday and pointing to a blaring headline: "Extremely Violent Gang Faction."

    The article focused on the killings of five teenagers from the same New York City suburb and suspicions that the slayings were the work of a street gang, MS-13, that has roots in El Salvador and has been linked to at least 30 killings on Long Island since 2010.

    "They come from Central America. They're tougher than any people you've ever met," Trump told the magazine. "They're killing and raping everybody out there. They're illegal. And they are finished."

    That tough talk was welcomed - and created new worries - in the suburban community plagued by the gang violence.

    Just months ago, advocates for immigrants were lamenting publicly that a string of disappearances of Hispanic high school students in Brentwood, New York, hadn't gotten enough attention from authorities while they were happening.

    Now, they are worried that the president-elect's attention will mean a crackdown that goes far beyond gangs.

    "It's not a good thing," said Maryann Sinclair Slutsky, executive director of the immigrant advocacy group Long Island Wins. "I don't know why he's picking Long Island. The entire immigrant community is terrified. All immigrants in that community feel uncomfortable. There's profiling going on and whether they are totally upstanding citizens, they are going to feel targeted in some way."

    Gang-related violence in Brentwood got renewed attention in September when best friends Nisa Mickens, 15, and Kayla Cuevas, 16, were found beaten to death in a residential neighborhood near an elementary school.

    Within a few weeks, the skeletal remains of three other Brentwood teens were found hidden in secluded areas of the hamlet. Miguel Garcia-Moran, 15, disappeared in February. Oscar Acosta, 19, was reported missing in May. Jose Pena-Hernandez, 18, vanished in June.

    Police suspect all the killings were committed by members of local offshoots of the MS-13 street gang, which has already left a trail of corpses on Long Island.

    Some of the people accused in those crimes were in the U.S. illegally.

    In one of the most heinous killings, in 2010, three teenage MS-13 members shot a 19-year-old woman and her 2-year-old son in the woods over an imagined slight of the gang's honor. Two were El Salvadoran citizens who were illegally in the U.S. at the time they killed the pair, as was Heriberto Martinez, the MS-13 leader convicted of authorizing the murders. Another of the killers was a U.S. citizen.

    In July, four MS-13 members were charged with killing four men in Brentwood and neighboring Central Islip between 2013 and 2015. Two of them were citizens of El Salvador. One had illegally re-entered the U.S. after previously being departed. A second was in proceedings to be deported.

    Suffolk County Sheriff Vincent DeMarco, whose office is involved in the probe of this year's killings in Brentwood, said there is "no question" that gangs were recruiting young immigrants who had crossed into the U.S. without authorization. Brentwood, he said, "is becoming a border town."

    "I don't think anyone would argue with the president-elect and Homeland Security removing criminal alien gang members from the streets of Brentwood. I think the residents of Brentwood deserve it," DeMarco said.

    Trump has called for increased border security and deportations of undocumented immigrants with criminal records, but he hasn't unveiled specific details yet on his plan.

    Suffolk County Police Commissioner Tim Sini said as part of a local law enforcement crackdown on the gang, six MS-13 members have been taken into federal custody and are expected to be charged under racketeering statutes. More than 50 others have been charged in state courts.

    Sini won't identify any of the more than four dozen suspects, or say what they did. He insists the sweeps have resulted in a drop in violent crime.

    He wouldn't comment on Trump's remarks.
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    MS-13 is hands down the toughest bunch in the USA. Only their restrictive recruiting practices keep them from surpassing the AB/AC.

    And Federal indifference under Bobo towards illegals in organized crime has really hindered state & local agencies' ability to counter them.

    A Pro-USA POTUS will accomplish a great deal simply by letting the various agencies do their job.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      MS-13 is hands down the toughest bunch in the USA. Only their restrictive recruiting practices keep them from surpassing the AB/AC.

      And Federal indifference under Bobo towards illegals in organized crime has really hindered state & local agencies' ability to counter them.

      A Pro-USA POTUS will accomplish a great deal simply by letting the various agencies do their job.
      MS-13 needs to be dealt with, there is little doubt. Few Americans even know who they are.
      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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      • #4
        yeah we even have them (MS-13) in our neck of the woods (Idaho) and they are a big problem.
        Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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        • #5
          You guys are forgetting the three hundred pound gorilla.

          What do these people do for money? Sell drugs. If you took them out you'd just get another gang coming in to take their place.

          Perhaps we should rethink the 'war on drugs'. I'm not saying total legalization for everything, but what we're doing now is and has been a total failure...
          Credo quia absurdum.


          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
            You guys are forgetting the three hundred pound gorilla.

            What do these people do for money? Sell drugs. If you took them out you'd just get another gang coming in to take their place.

            Perhaps we should rethink the 'war on drugs'. I'm not saying total legalization for everything, but what we're doing now is and has been a total failure...
            I agree. The bootleggers haven't been a problem since Prohibition was repealed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
              You guys are forgetting the three hundred pound gorilla.

              What do these people do for money? Sell drugs. If you took them out you'd just get another gang coming in to take their place.

              Perhaps we should rethink the 'war on drugs'. I'm not saying total legalization for everything, but what we're doing now is and has been a total failure...
              Maybe we should rethink the war on rape and the war on child molestation, too. We've been fighting those since day one with even less success.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                I agree. The bootleggers haven't been a problem since Prohibition was repealed.
                Maybe in your line of work, but not in mine.

                Alcohol enforcement consumes twice as many resources at the state & local level as narcotics.

                Legalization won't reduce crime. Addicts are still not going to be able to hold sufficient employment to feed their habits.

                As a point in fact, the cartels have made major power inroads into those states which have legalized pot.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                  You guys are forgetting the three hundred pound gorilla.

                  What do these people do for money? Sell drugs. If you took them out you'd just get another gang coming in to take their place.

                  Perhaps we should rethink the 'war on drugs'. I'm not saying total legalization for everything, but what we're doing now is and has been a total failure...
                  If we take drugs out of the equation, gangs like MS-13 will not go away, they are into everything, they are into identity theft counterfeiting credit cards, human trafficking, prostitution, murder for hire, blackmail, and the protection business.
                  I don't see any of those things being legalized.
                  Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                  Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                  • #10
                    Well, let's hold his feet to the fire, then.

                    Ignoring everything every wrong done by Politician with the right Letter next to his name is what the OTHER guys do.
                    "Why is the Rum gone?"

                    -Captain Jack

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                      If we take drugs out of the equation, gangs like MS-13 will not go away, they are into everything, they are into identity theft counterfeiting credit cards, human trafficking, prostitution, murder for hire, blackmail, and the protection business.
                      I don't see any of those things being legalized.
                      This is true. Diversification is the trend today.

                      And the cartels are rapidly taking over (if they haven't already) of pot distribution where it is legal.

                      With massive untaxed wealth and a private army, these guys are not going away because of yet another uninformed quick-fix.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #12
                        How do we deal with the ones that are deported, but keep coming back? Life imprisonment, Gitmo, increased use of capital punishment for violent illegals?
                        ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                        BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                        BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                          How do we deal with the ones that are deported, but keep coming back? Life imprisonment, Gitmo, increased use of capital punishment for violent illegals?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Doctor View Post


                            Love it!
                            ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                            BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                            BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                              You guys are forgetting the three hundred pound gorilla.

                              What do these people do for money? Sell drugs. If you took them out you'd just get another gang coming in to take their place.

                              Perhaps we should rethink the 'war on drugs'. I'm not saying total legalization for everything, but what we're doing now is and has been a total failure...
                              MS13 is a third word gang in a first world country. Sure people will replace them but they wont be near the same level of vilonce.
                              you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

                              CPO Mzinyati

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