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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Well, Tillson will almost certainly be more friendly to Israel than Obama has been....
    Yes, indeed!

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Hey, John Kerry had previous experience in foreign policy. In direct violation of US law he met with North Vietnamese diplomats in Paris over the Vietnam war as part of his involvement in the VVAW and protesting that war... If being a traitor counts as "experience..."

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  • ljadw
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    There are no valid arguments against the appointment of Tillerson as SoS , the opposition to his appointment is only hiding the opposition of the RINOS to the PE .

    Tillerson is not a friend of Putin : at his (Tillerson's ) level there are no friends .

    That he has no experience in foreign policy is irrelevant : neither had Foster Dulles, Dean Rusk, William Rogers, Hillary Clinton ,John Kerry .

    Besides: the foreign policy of the US is not decided by the Secretary of State, but by Potus and Congress .

    It is time that some people accept ( I know it is difficult ) that the "international order " invented at Yalta/Potsdam has passed away : the epoch where US were continuously intervening (mostly without success ) when there was some fighting in Somalia, Latin America, Yugoslavia, etc,etc,is over .

    Trump knows this and the new helmsman is sending away the BB America out of dangerous currents ;what will not say that the BB will remain in the harbour to rust .

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  • The Doctor
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Probably the same with Jordan.

    Good point and thanks for the map picture.

    I honestly find that a guy like Tillerson can bring together Israel and the GCC states. If Tillerson works for American prosperity as he did to prosper Exxon Mobil...I could see Tillerson improving the prosperity of the USA. From the various reports we can see Tillerson has worked with Russia and Arab states..As we know Russia has some disagreements with Arab states over Syria but here is Tillerson having a productive relationship with Russia and Arab states so this shows a level of non bias in Tillerson that MSNBC should take note of.
    If Tillerson is confirmed, you can expect him to what is in the best interests of his new employer and he will manage the State Department in a manner most consistent with achieving the goals laid out by President Trump.

    When it comes to management, he was the an extremely professional chief executive of the best managed company in the world.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Well, Tillson will almost certainly be more friendly to Israel than Obama has been....

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    There's a reason Rex Tillerson has very little experience with Israel...

    Probably the same with Jordan.

    Good point and thanks for the map picture.

    I honestly find that a guy like Tillerson can bring together Israel and the GCC states. If Tillerson works for American prosperity as he did to prosper Exxon Mobil...I could see Tillerson improving the prosperity of the USA. From the various reports we can see Tillerson has worked with Russia and Arab states..As we know Russia has some disagreements with Arab states over Syria but here is Tillerson having a productive relationship with Russia and Arab states so this shows a level of non bias in Tillerson that MSNBC should take note of.

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  • The Doctor
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    There's a reason Rex Tillerson has very little experience with Israel...

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s reported choice for secretary of state is no stranger to the Middle East, yet when it comes to Israel he has very little experience.



    Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson, who is expected to be formally named by Trump as his top diplomat Tuesday, has spent his career fostering deep ties to Sunni Arab and Gulf states. Since rising to the top at one of the world’s largest companies on January 1, 2006, much of his professional life has involved working with Israel’s petroleum-rich neighbors.

    Throughout his career, the Wichita Falls, Texas, native cultivated relationships with leaders of countries including Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Qatar. He even injected his company into the middle of a power struggle between the Kurds and the Iraqi government.

    As an oil executive, though, he’s never had much reason to invest time or money in the Jewish state.

    On Israel, Tillerson contrasts starkly with several of the other top candidates considered for the position in what was an unusually long and public process, including Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani and John Bolton.

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, for example, has had a friendship with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dating back to 1976.

    Over the course of his 2012 bid for the White House, he repeatedly emphasized his support for Israel and antipathy toward the Iranian regime, a posture the incoming president shares. Giuliani and Bolton are also staunch Israel supporters as well as frequent visitors.

    Tillerson, on the other hand, should he be confirmed, will be operating from a knowledge base that derives from his connections in the Arab world.



    Tillerson all the way for being a solid diplomat and not a slave to Israel. Tillerson will be great for bringing together the middle east. .


    Look at this propaganda,

    As US Jewish leaders monitor the formation of the nascent administration, some regard Tillerson, given his background, with a degree of wariness.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-...lf-not-israel/

    Oh well, to bad for those US Jewish leaders, you dont like the US of A then go live in a different country.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Further proof, some people will support anyone or anything if dear leader tells them to.

    Tillerson supports carbon tax, is against sanctions, and is buddies with Putin. But hey the media hates him so that's enough for the simpletons to get on-board.



    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ion-tillerson/
    We do not support sanctions, generally, because we don’t find them to be effective unless they are very well implemented comprehensively and that’s a very hard thing to do,” Tillerson said at the 2014 shareholder meeting.

    In remarks to the vehemently anti-Trump Council on Foreign Relations in 2007, Tillerson argued against U.S. energy independence—and for more globalist trading when it comes to energy. Tillerson said, according to Bloomberg:


    Brilliantly said by Tillerson. Our "sanctions" against Iran have done little to nothing to Iran. Line up a few battleships outside a country that we need to get the message to, and that might make a difference. OR...WORK WITH IRAN AND RUSSIA in the fight agaisnt ISIL...sanctioning Iran or Russia is a backward move.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    MSNBC propaganda headline reads,

    TILLERSON UNDER FIRE FOR TIES TO RUSSIA, PUTIN.



    Well let me say, God Bless Tillerson. Go Russia and Go USA. I see Russia and the USA working together more and more under Trump. Man this Trump victory is really in my favor, I love Russia, I praise the Soviet Union in its fight against the Third Reich. While my candidate Mrs Clinton did not win, I'm happy with Trump so far.

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    Why not acknowledge that America cannot run the world and that other nations have legitimate strategic interests?


    I wasn't aware that we wanted to "run the world"... And I do acknowledge "that other nations have legitimate strategic interests"... They just aren't as legitimate as our strategic interests...

    Trump really may be trying to find a middle-ground between isolationism and interventionism.
    I hope he does. I'm not sure he will however.

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  • The Doctor
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    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    I just finished reading it good article. However note the bold portion. If a liberal were to say that, Pres Obama, we'd have five threads in two days denouncing it.
    Why not acknowledge that America cannot run the world and that other nations have legitimate strategic interests?


    I wasn't aware that we wanted to "run the world"... And I do acknowledge "that other nations have legitimate strategic interests"... They just aren't as legitimate as our strategic interests...

    Trump really may be trying to find a middle-ground between isolationism and interventionism.

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    Trump's "third way"...
    Trump's shockingly honest approach to Putin

    By Timothy Stanley
    Updated 12:13 PM ET, Tue December 13, 2016

    (CNN)The 2016 election was not rigged by Moscow. Rex Tillerson, tipped to be the next secretary of state, is not a KGB agent.

    Donald Trump is, however, trying to reset US policy toward Russia to begin a constructive dialogue. For this, he ought to be applauded. Instead, he is almost accused of treachery. The situation is surreal.

    Let's analyze those two allegations separately. First, the CIA reportedly believes that Russia likes Trump, hacked the Democrats during the election, and leaked information via WikiLeaks to assist their preferred candidate. If the CIA's claims are true, and doubts exist, then this is very bad news and must be investigated.

    [...]

    McCain and Graham opposed Trump throughout the primaries in part because he threatens the hawkish consensus that has dominated Washington for a very long time. A consensus that sees Russia as a perpetual and imminent threat to Western security.

    Trump's people see things differently. Peter Beinart of The Atlantic suggests they are informed by a view of history at odds with the Russophobic neocons. For Trumpites, the Cold War was a struggle with an atheist, socialist superpower that had to be won. Once it was over and Russia reverted to its Christian roots, Moscow evolved from an enemy to a cultural ally in the far more relevant conflict with radical Islam.

    [...]

    Russophiles are just as myopically enthusiastic about Putin as the neoconservatives sometimes seem suicidally hell-bent on war. Between these two positions is a rational third way. There's evidence that Trump inhabits it.

    Take Rex Tillerson, the subject of the second allegation I noted at the beginning of this article -- that Trump is thinking about appointing a Moscow patsy as secretary of state. This is nonsense. Yes, Tillerson knows Putin and has done business with him. Are these not strong qualifications for dealing with Russia? He has received Russia's Order of Friendship, true. But so have a former archbishop of Canterbury and the former Prime Minister of Canada. If those two are KGB assets then the world really is in trouble.

    Finally, Tillerson has opposed sanctions on Russia. But that makes sense given that he is the CEO of ExxonMobil, which was hurt by sanctions imposed after the partitioning of Ukraine. He is a statesman of business -- that's what stands out about his appointment. Trump is compiling a Cabinet of mini-Trumps, of largely aging, white, male business leaders who see the world in terms of the bottom line rather than grand theories of international relations.

    [...]

    All Putin really has to his advantage is a lot of hackers and an arsenal of nuclear weapons. The latter is why we still have to be very, very careful when dealing with him.

    Why not talk to Putin? Why not acknowledge that America cannot run the world and that other nations have legitimate strategic interests? What's fascinating about Trump is that while he might regard America as an exceptional country, he's honest about its failings and refuses to pretend it has a right to global domination.

    He is assembling a team that does contain some hawks, such as, potentially, John Bolton, and that has tough talk for countries like Iran. But it's also a team of realists.

    Somewhere between Obama's retreat from the Middle East and George W. Bush's invasion of it is an approach based on cautious national self-interest. I sincerely hope Trump adopts it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/opinio...ley/index.html
    I just finished reading it good article. However note the bold portion. If a liberal were to say that, Pres Obama, we'd have five threads in two days denouncing it.

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  • The Doctor
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    Trump's "third way"...
    Trump's shockingly honest approach to Putin

    By Timothy Stanley
    Updated 12:13 PM ET, Tue December 13, 2016

    (CNN)The 2016 election was not rigged by Moscow. Rex Tillerson, tipped to be the next secretary of state, is not a KGB agent.

    Donald Trump is, however, trying to reset US policy toward Russia to begin a constructive dialogue. For this, he ought to be applauded. Instead, he is almost accused of treachery. The situation is surreal.

    Let's analyze those two allegations separately. First, the CIA reportedly believes that Russia likes Trump, hacked the Democrats during the election, and leaked information via WikiLeaks to assist their preferred candidate. If the CIA's claims are true, and doubts exist, then this is very bad news and must be investigated.

    [...]

    McCain and Graham opposed Trump throughout the primaries in part because he threatens the hawkish consensus that has dominated Washington for a very long time. A consensus that sees Russia as a perpetual and imminent threat to Western security.

    Trump's people see things differently. Peter Beinart of The Atlantic suggests they are informed by a view of history at odds with the Russophobic neocons. For Trumpites, the Cold War was a struggle with an atheist, socialist superpower that had to be won. Once it was over and Russia reverted to its Christian roots, Moscow evolved from an enemy to a cultural ally in the far more relevant conflict with radical Islam.

    [...]

    Russophiles are just as myopically enthusiastic about Putin as the neoconservatives sometimes seem suicidally hell-bent on war. Between these two positions is a rational third way. There's evidence that Trump inhabits it.

    Take Rex Tillerson, the subject of the second allegation I noted at the beginning of this article -- that Trump is thinking about appointing a Moscow patsy as secretary of state. This is nonsense. Yes, Tillerson knows Putin and has done business with him. Are these not strong qualifications for dealing with Russia? He has received Russia's Order of Friendship, true. But so have a former archbishop of Canterbury and the former Prime Minister of Canada. If those two are KGB assets then the world really is in trouble.

    Finally, Tillerson has opposed sanctions on Russia. But that makes sense given that he is the CEO of ExxonMobil, which was hurt by sanctions imposed after the partitioning of Ukraine. He is a statesman of business -- that's what stands out about his appointment. Trump is compiling a Cabinet of mini-Trumps, of largely aging, white, male business leaders who see the world in terms of the bottom line rather than grand theories of international relations.

    [...]

    All Putin really has to his advantage is a lot of hackers and an arsenal of nuclear weapons. The latter is why we still have to be very, very careful when dealing with him.

    Why not talk to Putin? Why not acknowledge that America cannot run the world and that other nations have legitimate strategic interests? What's fascinating about Trump is that while he might regard America as an exceptional country, he's honest about its failings and refuses to pretend it has a right to global domination.

    He is assembling a team that does contain some hawks, such as, potentially, John Bolton, and that has tough talk for countries like Iran. But it's also a team of realists.

    Somewhere between Obama's retreat from the Middle East and George W. Bush's invasion of it is an approach based on cautious national self-interest. I sincerely hope Trump adopts it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/opinio...ley/index.html

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Glad to see everyone's ok with the US becoming Russia's bitch.

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