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  • Trump Says "Cancel Air Force One!"

    Saw the CNN news this AM when Trump told reporters that AF One was way over budget at $4 billion for two aircraft, further said that while America wants Boeing to make a profit, "not that much of a profit", and said he intended to cancel the purchase of the new aircraft.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

  • #2
    The media will accuse him of costing US jobs, and the snowflakes here will wail.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Good!
      Start with his own personal 'ride', and then go after the rest of the Crony deals going on.
      I heard that there is about $125 million worth of hidden waste in this prolect alone.
      "Why is the Rum gone?"

      -Captain Jack

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      • #4
        Great! That will pay down a miniscule portion of the debt...

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        • #5
          Boeing responds after Trump knocks contract for Air Force One jets
          EXCERPT:
          ...
          Donald Trump declared Tuesday morning that the Air Force should cancel its contract with Boeing to build two new presidential airplanes, asserting that the agreement had a $4 billion price tag.

          “Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!” the president-elect tweeted.

          It’s not clear how Trump, who frequently tweets exaggerated or baseless claims, arrived at that number. Reuters, citing budget documents, reported that the “budgeted costs for the Air Force One replacement program are $2.87 billion for the fiscal years 2015 through 2021.”

          The aircraft manufacturing company issued a statement clarifying that it is currently under contract for $170 million to determine the capabilities of the new aircraft.

          “We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States. We look forward to working with the U.S. Air Force on subsequent phases of the program allowing us to deliver the best planes for the President at the best value for the American taxpayer.”

          This preliminary process is expected to determine the ultimate cost that the forthcoming Air Force One aircraft will cost taxpayers.
          ...
          The full details of the new contract have not yet been released, but some of the costs can be attributed to the high-end security and communications demands of a roaming commander in chief.

          A president needs the ability to travel anywhere on the planet quickly and with little notice. The aircraft has unlimited range because it is capable of refueling while airborne. The jet can function as a mobile command center if the U.S. is under attack. It contains sophisticated, secure communications equipment and onboard electronics that can protect against electromagnetic pulses.

          The term “Air Force One” can be used to describe any aircraft carrying the president, but since the mid-20th century, it became associated with jets specifically equipped for the president. Now the term refers to one of two modified Boeing 747-200B series aircraft.

          “We have many decades of productive relationships with presidential administrations from both political parties and I would expect that we will reach the same point with the Trump administration,” Todd Blecher, a spokesman for Boeing, told Yahoo News.
          ...
          https://www.yahoo.com/news/boeing-re...174029191.html

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          • #6
            They should keep the order but cut expenses. The 747 is nearing the end of its production run. It's the last of the American made 4 engine airliners. The Airbus A380 (the only other one) hasn't had many sales in the last few years, either. One of the requirements for AF1 was that it have four engines for redundancy. If this order is cancelled and Boeing shuts down the production line in the next few years, then we'll be really screwed.

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            • #7
              AF1 isn't exactly a 747 in anything but the very basics of the layout and the outside appearance.

              Here's an idea, if you want a higher-performing and more secure ride for the President.....build a modified C17. It's a base airframe with all the performance AF1 needs already built in, as they come capable of all weather flight, low altitude performance, high performance takeoffs and landings, and so on, plus the full countermeasure suite. It's got plenty of capacity to modify the entire interior to match AF1 needs. Skip cabin windows, they're a weakness since they pierce the skin and create a vulnerability....a few external cameras (with pan and zoom no less) and screens for the President or entourage to see what they want in flight or on the tarmac. Hell, you can line the airframe in a ballistic blanket for the passenger areas to protect from small arms fire and shrapnel. As for the size difference, I guess you need to cut down on the ridiculousness of the entourage, or bring in part of them in the 2nd plane instead.....if AF1 breaks down then they just have to fly back commercial (the poor snowflakes).

              It uses an existing production line.....it's a combat operations proven airframe capable of flying in some really sh*tty conditions (like Iraqi sandstorms....saw it on the regular doing short-field takeoffs with 2 x MRAPS onboard). The 'accessory planes' that come with the Pres can all be the same airframe which means more 'confusion' for a potential enemy trying to acquire AF1 on radar (as opposed to 747s which will be leaving the skies before this current project ages out). And it sets a useful precedent for future AF1 purchases that they will use something based on the existing heavy or heavy-mid transport rather than a full-up custom job.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • #8
                Replace it with a big hydrogen gas filled dirigible (with the envelope doped with solid rocket fuel). Outdated, unwieldy and prone to burst into flames - very symbolic.
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Q&A: A look at Trump's call to cancel new Air Force One
                  EXCERPTS;
                  ...
                  HOW MUCH WILL THE PROJECT COST?

                  The Government Accountability Office, the government's auditing arm, in March of this year estimated total program costs at more than $3.2 billion, much of it for research and development, through the 2020 federal budget year. Separately, Defense Department and Air Force officials put the cost for two new aircraft at around Trump's figure of $4 billion. That estimate includes the cost of research and development, construction and future maintenance, according to the officials who were not authorized to comment publicly about the sensitive military project and spoke on condition of anonymity.
                  ...
                  WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT WANT NEW PLANES? DOESN'T THE CURRENT AIR FORCE ONE WORK JUST FINE?

                  That's true, but the two modified Boeing 747s the president uses for the bulk of his travels are getting older and breaking down more often, officials say. They were built in the 1980s and began flying in the early 1990s. One flew President Barack Obama to MacDill Air Force in Tampa, Florida, on Tuesday.

                  The distinctive blue-and-white plane with the U.S. flag on its tail and the presidential seal on its belly is basically a flying office for the president, complete with sophisticated communications, military and other capabilities. Safety of the president is paramount, and the government started the process to replace the aging aircraft with younger versions that incorporate updated capabilities and technological advances.
                  ...
                  WHAT IS BOEING'S ROLE?

                  The Air Force has spent about $170 million on three contracts to begin to identify the types of military and specialized systems that would have to be added to a commercial plane to adapt it for use by the president. Boeing has that contract, and also would build the replacement Air Force One.

                  Under the deal, the Air Force would buy the 747-8 aircraft, a newer version of those currently in use as Air Force One. The new aircraft wouldn't be ready until around 2023 or 2024, the end of Trump's second term, should he seek and win re-election.
                  ...
                  http://townhall.com/news/politics-el...&newsletterad=

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                  • #10
                    B-52's have been flying for the USAF since 1955, and obviously there is a need to keep planes up to date, but at a 4 Billion dollar price tag, I think we are getting screwed.
                    Don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by drivin-fool View Post
                      B-52's have been flying for the USAF since 1955, and obviously there is a need to keep planes up to date, but at a 4 Billion dollar price tag, I think we are getting screwed.
                      That is over about 6-10 years, depends on how it plays, so not so big a bite, all thing considered.

                      Fluff and PR.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                        AF1 isn't exactly a 747 in anything but the very basics of the layout and the outside appearance.

                        Here's an idea, if you want a higher-performing and more secure ride for the President.....build a modified C17. It's a base airframe with all the performance AF1 needs already built in, as they come capable of all weather flight, low altitude performance, high performance takeoffs and landings, and so on, plus the full countermeasure suite. It's got plenty of capacity to modify the entire interior to match AF1 needs. Skip cabin windows, they're a weakness since they pierce the skin and create a vulnerability....a few external cameras (with pan and zoom no less) and screens for the President or entourage to see what they want in flight or on the tarmac. Hell, you can line the airframe in a ballistic blanket for the passenger areas to protect from small arms fire and shrapnel. As for the size difference, I guess you need to cut down on the ridiculousness of the entourage, or bring in part of them in the 2nd plane instead.....if AF1 breaks down then they just have to fly back commercial (the poor snowflakes).

                        It uses an existing production line.....it's a combat operations proven airframe capable of flying in some really sh*tty conditions (like Iraqi sandstorms....saw it on the regular doing short-field takeoffs with 2 x MRAPS onboard). The 'accessory planes' that come with the Pres can all be the same airframe which means more 'confusion' for a potential enemy trying to acquire AF1 on radar (as opposed to 747s which will be leaving the skies before this current project ages out). And it sets a useful precedent for future AF1 purchases that they will use something based on the existing heavy or heavy-mid transport rather than a full-up custom job.

                        Smart and logical. There for unlickly to happen
                        you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

                        CPO Mzinyati

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                          AF1 isn't exactly a 747 in anything but the very basics of the layout and the outside appearance.

                          Here's an idea, if you want a higher-performing and more secure ride for the President.....build a modified C17. It's a base airframe with all the performance AF1 needs already built in, as they come capable of all weather flight, low altitude performance, high performance takeoffs and landings, and so on, plus the full countermeasure suite. It's got plenty of capacity to modify the entire interior to match AF1 needs. Skip cabin windows, they're a weakness since they pierce the skin and create a vulnerability....a few external cameras (with pan and zoom no less) and screens for the President or entourage to see what they want in flight or on the tarmac. Hell, you can line the airframe in a ballistic blanket for the passenger areas to protect from small arms fire and shrapnel. As for the size difference, I guess you need to cut down on the ridiculousness of the entourage, or bring in part of them in the 2nd plane instead.....if AF1 breaks down then they just have to fly back commercial (the poor snowflakes).

                          It uses an existing production line.....it's a combat operations proven airframe capable of flying in some really sh*tty conditions (like Iraqi sandstorms....saw it on the regular doing short-field takeoffs with 2 x MRAPS onboard). The 'accessory planes' that come with the Pres can all be the same airframe which means more 'confusion' for a potential enemy trying to acquire AF1 on radar (as opposed to 747s which will be leaving the skies before this current project ages out). And it sets a useful precedent for future AF1 purchases that they will use something based on the existing heavy or heavy-mid transport rather than a full-up custom job.
                          Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                          Smart and logical. There for unlickly to happen
                          Production of the Boeing C-17 ended just over 12 months ago.

                          [.....]
                          The final C-17 was completed at the Long Beach, California, plant and flown on 29 November 2015.[4]
                          [.....]
                          In September 2013, Boeing announced that C-17 production was starting to close down. In October 2014, the main wing spar of the 279th and last aircraft was completed; this C-17 shall be delivered in 2015, after which Boeing will close the Long Beach plant.[46][47] Production of spare components shall continue until at least 2017.
                          [.....]
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing...lobemaster_III
                          "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
                          "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

                          "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
                          — Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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                          • #14
                            They still have a number of unsolded C17 and parts are not going to be s issue
                            you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

                            CPO Mzinyati

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                            • #15
                              The C17 is quite a bit slower and shorter ranged than the 747-8. Cruise speed is 450kts vs 493kts. Unrefueled range is 5600nm vs 7700nm. You also have to consider the image of the POTUS flying around in a cargo plane...not good. The new AF1 will be good for the next 30 years.

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