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  • After Iraq can Trump ‘Make America great again’ without a ‘Splendid Little War'?

    Realistically, after Iraq can Trump really ‘Make America great again’ without a ‘Splendid Little War?

    Face it most presidents would give their right you know what for a brief, popular, cheap and successful war, ‘intervention’, ‘police action’ ‘mission’, (fill in euphemism of choice) to help define their tenure.

    Something to boost flagging poll numbers, toss red meat to their base (if he’s a conservative), do the right thing by humanity (if he’s a progressive), protect US ‘interests’, make the world safe for democracy, draw a line in the sand etc, etc.

    Yep nothing can restore a degree of national prestige (‘Greatness’ if you will) and save a struggling politician like a nice little war or military action. Just ask Thatcher if the malignant little viperess was still around, or Putin if a few months when the unfettered application of Russian power pays off in a victory for the Assad regime.
    Or McKinley, or Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton or Obama.

    ‘Great again’ is something Trump says he wants but as yet, what it actually means has not been defined.

    I bet, being the great showman and quipster that he is, if he was asked he’d say something like “Folks let me tell ya we’ll know it when we see it, trust me we’ll know it when we see it.” (hey I should get a job writing some of his speeches!)
    Now at this point we don’t know just when Trump is going to need ‘his war’, but TRUST ME despite his quite correct condemnation of Bush’s Iraq War, he’ll not pass up the opportunity to exploit military action if it arises.

    Of course it needs to work.
    And there’s the problem.

    After the twin experiences of Indochina (it was the US - Indochina War NOT just the Vietnam War) and Iraq there is no way known in the near future the JCS are gonna recommend a major boots on the ground open-ended commitment to something which may not end successfully.
    The last thing they want to see is their precious ‘assets’ actually being burnt up instead of being ‘available’ for possible use, their freedom of action crippled by commitment to a quagmire and the army’s surprisingly fragile morale and much lauded status bleeding away in the jungle mud or desert sands.

    So it’ll have to be neat, short, assured of victory, cheap and ‘for all the right reasons'.

    Yep Trump’s gonna look for a chance to play soldier. Trust me.

    Let’s hope no one gets hurt.

    Regards
    lodestar

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    The only way the hard-Left can justify themselves is to attribute their own worst traits to their enemies.

    Anyone fooled?
    "Why is the Rum gone?"

    -Captain Jack

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lodestar View Post
      Realistically, after Iraq can Trump really ‘Make America great again’ without a ‘Splendid Little War?



      Yep nothing can restore a degree of national prestige (‘Greatness’ if you will) and save a struggling politician like a nice little war or military action. Just ask Thatcher if the malignant little viperess was still around, or Putin if a few months when the unfettered application of Russian power pays off in a victory for the Assad regime.
      Or McKinley, or Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton or Obama.


      Trust me


      Let’s hope no one gets hurt.

      Regards
      lodestar
      1) A lot of nonsense : Thatcher did NOT start the Falkland War, it were the Argentinian generals who did it .It was the same for old Bush .

      2 ) I don't .

      3 ) Why should no one be hurt ? If there is a war, a lot of people will be hurt : that's the essence of war : to kill people .

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      • #4
        Still desperate for attention.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          If Europe hadn't allowed itself to become so dependent on Middle Eastern oil there would have been no Iraq war. So much for planned economies and workers paradises. Face it the EU bureaucrats are morons like most socialists.
          We hunt the hunters

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          • #6
            Really. Loadstar you grabbing at nothing and this is from a Bernie Sanders supporter.
            you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

            CPO Mzinyati

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            • #7
              Loadstar your really ticking me off. Stfu and go to your crying room...

              I'm really getting tired of snowflake whining...

              Last edited by Bwaha; 03 Dec 16, 04:17.
              Credo quia absurdum.


              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                Loadstar your really ticking me off. Stfu and go to your crying room...

                I'm really getting tired of snowflake whining...

                This forum has been flooded with threads, some valid and lots nonsense and often outright made up stories about liberals, Obama, Clinton and others for years and have somehow escaped the censure that many of you guys are now pouring on a handful of posters who have made a few negative threads about Trump.

                If they continued posting at this rate for the next few years they would still not reach the output of the last few years. Strange how people wanting to discuss issues around Trump suddenly attract so much criticism.
                "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                G.B Shaw

                "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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                • #9
                  Maybe Trump will decide to invade Australia.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                    This forum has been flooded with threads, some valid and lots nonsense and often outright made up stories about liberals, Obama, Clinton and others for years and have somehow escaped the censure that many of you guys are now pouring on a handful of posters who have made a few negative threads about Trump.

                    If they continued posting at this rate for the next few years they would still not reach the output of the last few years. Strange how people wanting to discuss issues around Trump suddenly attract so much criticism.
                    Hey I don't like rump but am willing to give him a chance. These whiners aren't even willing to go there. I really dislike him btw but wish him good luck.
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                      Realistically, after Iraq can Trump really ‘Make America great again’ without a ‘Splendid Little War?

                      Face it most presidents would give their right you know what for a brief, popular, cheap and successful war, ‘intervention’, ‘police action’ ‘mission’, (fill in euphemism of choice) to help define their tenure.

                      Something to boost flagging poll numbers, toss red meat to their base (if he’s a conservative), do the right thing by humanity (if he’s a progressive), protect US ‘interests’, make the world safe for democracy, draw a line in the sand etc, etc.

                      Yep nothing can restore a degree of national prestige (‘Greatness’ if you will) and save a struggling politician like a nice little war or military action. Just ask Thatcher if the malignant little viperess was still around, or Putin if a few months when the unfettered application of Russian power pays off in a victory for the Assad regime.
                      Or McKinley, or Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton or Obama.

                      ‘Great again’ is something Trump says he wants but as yet, what it actually means has not been defined.

                      I bet, being the great showman and quipster that he is, if he was asked he’d say something like “Folks let me tell ya we’ll know it when we see it, trust me we’ll know it when we see it.” (hey I should get a job writing some of his speeches!)
                      Now at this point we don’t know just when Trump is going to need ‘his war’, but TRUST ME despite his quite correct condemnation of Bush’s Iraq War, he’ll not pass up the opportunity to exploit military action if it arises.

                      Of course it needs to work.
                      And there’s the problem.

                      After the twin experiences of Indochina (it was the US - Indochina War NOT just the Vietnam War) and Iraq there is no way known in the near future the JCS are gonna recommend a major boots on the ground open-ended commitment to something which may not end successfully.
                      The last thing they want to see is their precious ‘assets’ actually being burnt up instead of being ‘available’ for possible use, their freedom of action crippled by commitment to a quagmire and the army’s surprisingly fragile morale and much lauded status bleeding away in the jungle mud or desert sands.

                      So it’ll have to be neat, short, assured of victory, cheap and ‘for all the right reasons'.

                      Yep Trump’s gonna look for a chance to play soldier. Trust me.

                      Let’s hope no one gets hurt.

                      Regards
                      lodestar
                      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                      • #12
                        You guys and gals have got to be kidding!

                        I don't get the reaction of some posters to this thread-starter.
                        How on earth is it attention seeking or a Trolling exercise?

                        Almost every major commentator in Australia, from new age/one worlder progressive through to crypto-fascist reactionary has expressed concerns about Trump's obvious recklessness and obliviousness to consequences.

                        Good grief the guy has not even been inaugurated and has provoked a friggi'n diplomatic crisis from his idiotic tweeting addiction.
                        HE IS A LOOSE CANNON WITH A BIG CARELESS MOUTH!
                        INTERNATIONALLY, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING! GOT IT?

                        He doesn't "Speak softly and carry a big stick [you will go far]."
                        He mouths off like some juvenile bigshot who prides himself on "telling like it is" or "how he sees it". HE SCARES PEOPLE OUTSIDE AMERICA NOT JUST A LOT OF AMERICANS.

                        Looks like he'll leave a trail of destruction and s*** wherever he goes and leave others to try and repair his blunders.
                        Already happening with supposed colleagues having to 'explain' him or assuage offended parties.

                        My concerns about possible military action undertaken under him are I believe perfectly understandable as concerns about how politicians 'use' war are as old as time, whether they start the said conflict or not.

                        And for the umpteenth time: I liked Trump as an enema to the constipated US political system and loved him as a showman and entertainer BUT HE SHOULD NOT BE A PRESIDENT!

                        It took the media and liberal East Coast elites five and half years to sink a paranoid, sociopathic Richard Nixon. Lets hope the 'machinery of democracy' works faster this time.

                        Let me know how it goes.
                        Regards
                        lodestar

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                        • #13
                          Lodie have you considered the source of your 'news'?

                          The beeb is so far left it can be discounted, sigh.

                          Fact is you've been seeing a distortion of the facts.

                          Hey I dislike rump, but your and the snowflakes mania is a bit over the top.

                          If I may, Valerian root extract may help out your panic attacks...

                          http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/valerian
                          Credo quia absurdum.


                          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                          • #14
                            "It took the media and liberal East Coast elites five and half years to sink a paranoid, sociopathic Richard Nixon. Lets hope the 'machinery of democracy' works faster this time."

                            Someone so full of hyperbole should understand the need for an enema.

                            Trump is not Hitler nor Nixon those are simply infantile fantasies of the people that have gotten used to not dealing with objective reality because they want a "gifting economy" but have never produced anything of value in their lives, for example Clinton.
                            We hunt the hunters

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                            • #15
                              Trump track record

                              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                              "It took the media and liberal East Coast elites five and half years to sink a paranoid, sociopathic Richard Nixon. Lets hope the 'machinery of democracy' works faster this time."

                              Someone so full of hyperbole should understand the need for an enema.

                              Trump is not Hitler nor Nixon those are simply infantile fantasies of the people that have gotten used to not dealing with objective reality because they want a "gifting economy" but have never produced anything of value in their lives, for example Clinton.
                              Talking track records?

                              Trump has been around for a long time.
                              Do his pluses (whatever they are) outweigh his minuses (whatever they are).
                              Has HE produced more (eg jobs, buildings etc) than he has destroyed (worthless University, bankruptcies, job losses)?

                              Regards lodestar

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