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  • Interview with Yuri Bezmenov

    http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com...-bezmenov.html

    I would like to know how much soviet era social engineering still influences the West. Most of what I read is unconvincing of having had a major effect. Socialism after all was not a Russian invention.
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    Here's a must read book if you really want a answer to your question.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sword-Shield-.../dp/0465003125
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    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      Your own media and government have created a highly efficient propaganda machine to the existence of which most Americans woke up only during this election. And you are still looking for Reds under your bed to explain the social engineering going on. What's worse, most people in the USSR with at least half a brain knew the government duped them and learned to read between the lines, while the Americans still seem to be sticking to the absurd religious belief that the "free media" (owned by a handful of mega-corporations) tells them the truth with maybe a few negligible glitches occurring here and there. Worked so well during the Clinton campaign, didn't it?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by ShAA View Post
        Your own media and government have created a highly efficient propaganda machine to the existence of which most Americans woke up only during this election. And you are still looking for Reds under your bed to explain the social engineering going on. What's worse, most people in the USSR with at least half a brain knew the government duped them and learned to read between the lines, while the Americans still seem to be sticking to the absurd religious belief that the "free media" (owned by a handful of mega-corporations) tells them the truth with maybe a few negligible glitches occurring here and there. Worked so well during the Clinton campaign, didn't it?
        Polls show that only a tiny percentage of Americans believe that mainstream media is unbiased.

        The interesting thing about the collusion between the media and Clinton is that a sizeable percentage of the population think that a biased press is necessary to counter the dangers of rightwing fanatics. This seems to be the general position of the intellectual class including neo conservatives. You see the same thing in Russia with the constant reference to Nazism. The difference is that the English-speaking world has a long history of contempt for authority as demonstrated by Brexit which was analogous to a peasant revolt against liberal elitism. Russia on the other hand has a long history of power being vested in a figurehead made legitimate by the church or it's analog the communist party.

        This faith in the liberal establishment causes no small amount of cognitive dissonance in English speaking intellectuals because after all a dictatorships of the proletariat is still a dictatorship. As we have seen even a popularly imposed dictatorship has to be enforced by a powerful central government with power vested in a few individuals and Clinton was the establishments choice. For the average liberal the ends justify the means and non liberals are either ignorant or barriers to social justice. It is not surprising that elitist from both political parties find common ground when their God given right to rule is threatened. Not that they believe in God only their own natural superiority.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
          Polls show that only a tiny percentage of Americans believe that mainstream media is unbiased.
          Well, I think before the Clinton scandal few Americans expressed such statements publicly, at least this is how I saw it. I remember people rejecting my claims of media bias on Ukraine totally out of hand saying it was absolutely impossible that so many "respected Western media outlets" could be biased. Ooops, here comes the American election Of course, it's natural that the people can see the bias in the coverage of the country they are living in much more easily as opposed to such little known places as Ukraine and Libya.

          The interesting thing about the collusion between the media and Clinton is that a sizeable percentage of the population think that a biased press is necessary to counter the dangers of rightwing fanatics. This seems to be the general position of the intellectual class including neo conservatives.
          Judging by my own experience with such people, they actually don't believe there's any bias to their point of view. For them, their bias is the norm, and the ideological lens they see the world through is not a lens but bare naked reality which can only be seen this way. But I think we mean the same thing here.

          You see the same thing in Russia with the constant reference to Nazism.
          I can't say there's a lot of references to Nazism here, what exactly do you mean?

          The difference is that the English-speaking world has a long history of contempt for authority as demonstrated by Brexit which was analogous to a peasant revolt against liberal elitism. Russia on the other hand has a long history of power being vested in a figurehead made legitimate by the church or it's analog the communist party.
          And at the same time Russia knows a very long history of contempt to any official information coming from official sources. The art of reading between the lines and telling forbidden political jokes was practised by the intellectuals and collective farmers alike. As for the figurehead, I can't agree with you - both the Tsars and the Communist Party leaders bent and twisted their respective "power and legitimacy bases" as they wished.

          This faith in the liberal establishment causes no small amount of cognitive dissonance in English speaking intellectuals because after all a dictatorships of the proletariat is still a dictatorship. As we have seen even a popularly imposed dictatorship has to be enforced by a powerful central government with power vested in a few individuals and Clinton was the establishments choice. For the average liberal the ends justify the means and non liberals are either ignorant or barriers to social justice. It is not surprising that elitist from both political parties find common ground when their God given right to rule is threatened. Not that they believe in God only their own natural superiority.
          Here I agree with you. Frankly, for most Russians the whole idea of liberals publicly shaming others and exerting pressure over the whole society is unthinkable, as the liberals here are thoroughly marginalised and political correctness is ridiculed. To me it looks like a group of apes throwing poo at the one they don't like. It's like a psychological substitute for real empowerment: "Look, I don't have much of a life, but I can pretend I'm big and mighty with Historical Justice on my side". I feel there's an eerie similarity between these people and the fervent Communists of the 1920's-1930's who seriouly believed the history was on their side and they have the authority to judge others and declare their sentences to those who didn't see the light. The scariest part is that there's no Party to propagate and spread these ideas, these people become the Party by themselves. When it's not some evil organisation which builds a mental prison for you, but your own people acting on their own accord, it becomes really scary. They might be condemning racist lynchings but de-facto they have the same closed-minded and aggressive mindset.
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