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  • Understanding the religion of peace

    Islam is at a cross roads, one that intersects with the interests of the rest of the world, understanding the root cause of the conflict is critical to the outcome,

    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    This is a North American Current event?
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      This is a North American Current event?
      It should be in the Europe section since we'll all be Muslims here soon
      "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
      validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
      "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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      • #4
        This has proven to be a popular topic. You will have your usual suspects...the anti Muslims who get the conversation started and then the normal people come in to defend Muslims. This occurs in Muslim majority countries in the middle east...only difference there is Muslims are taking physical action against ISIL where as in the USA people just argue with each other.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          This has proven to be a popular topic. You will have your usual suspects...the anti Muslims who get the conversation started and then the normal people come in to defend Muslims. This occurs in Muslim majority countries in the middle east...only difference there is Muslims are taking physical action against ISIL where as in the USA people just argue with each other.
          You also have the idiots or enablers whom fail to distinguish between Islam the scripture and dogma and Muslims, the deluded believers and followers. So long as a person is believing a religion of their free will and not forcing same upon their spouse, their children, or their neighbors, they are free to engage any folly they wish so long as it doesn't break any laws, IMO.

          That being said, some of that scripture/dogma;

          Some of the relating passages of the Koran, addressing the mandate of (physical)Jihad(Holy War) and rewards for engaging in such, etc.;

          [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
          [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
          [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
          [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
          [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
          [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
          [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
          [8.38] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
          [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
          [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
          [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
          [9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
          [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.
          [33.27] And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
          [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
          [47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
          [47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
          http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
          Last edited by G David Bock; 15 Nov 16, 13:56.
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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          • #6
            The Muslims performing the so-called "terrorist" actions refer to what they do as Jihad, and anyone being honest about Islam would acknowledge that there are different forms of Jihad. These Islamists/Jihadists view themselves as fundamentalists of Islam and true followers Muhammad's example and command;

            "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

            From;
            Book 001, Number 0033:
            It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
            http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#001.0033

            One may find Numbers 0030, 0031, 0032 of related interest as well.
            Last edited by G David Bock; 15 Nov 16, 13:55.
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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            • #7
              This is an issue that could have been applied to each and every current events section, it is a global issue, it certainly is a American issue, the lady in the video is now an American.
              If anyone posts that this is a continuation of anti Islamic rhetoric they did not watch the video.
              The Islamic world is at war with itself over fundamental questions of doctrine, the rest of the planet needs to understand that.
              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                This has proven to be a popular topic. You will have your usual suspects...the anti Muslims who get the conversation started and then the normal people come in to defend Muslims. This occurs in Muslim majority countries in the middle east...only difference there is Muslims are taking physical action against ISIL where as in the USA people just argue with each other.
                I thought the speaker made some very good points. Perhaps we could discuss them.
                Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                • #9
                  I applaud your effort; however, like a great many Americans, I already know all I care to know about a religion that wants to rule the world through genocide, terrorism and suppression of all individual thoughts and liberties.

                  In the interests of fairness, however, do you plan on presenting...say...the Israeli viewpoint of centuries of mindless hatred? Or were you going to interview the victims of 9/11 and all of the other victims of terrorism? Or maybe the thousands of maimed and crippled American veterans who have fought against them?

                  Thanks...but no thanks.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    I have known of A. Hirsi for a good many years and have posted her vids here before. Her points are very valid.

                    -Criticism of Christianity is unlimited in the West, especially in Universities, why should Islam be granted protected status when there is so much to criticize?
                    - Why are reformist muslims not given a platform or supported in the West?
                    - Why does the West fail to defend its own values at every pass?

                    Or... did anyone at all actually watch that one?
                    ... yeah, figures.
                    "Why is the Rum gone?"

                    -Captain Jack

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      So long as a person is believing a religion of their free will and not forcing same upon their spouse, their children, or their neighbors, they are free to engage any folly they wish so long as it doesn't break any laws, IMO.
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                      Aside from the neighbors part, that's pretty much how it goes for all religions. Jehovah witness on the other hand, probably ticks all of those boxes.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                        I have known of A. Hirsi for a good many years and have posted her vids here before. Her points are very valid.

                        -Criticism of Christianity is unlimited in the West, especially in Universities, why should Islam be granted protected status when there is so much to criticize?
                        - Why are reformist muslims not given a platform or supported in the West?
                        - Why does the West fail to defend its own values at every pass?

                        Or... did anyone at all actually watch that one?
                        ... yeah, figures.
                        Probably because "reformist Muslims are not militantly demanding air time to make such protests. Factually, Islam is a religion based upon Fate and passivism. Everything is defined as in'sh'allah - the will of Allah and therefore to be simply accepted.

                        Of course, Muslims do not tolerate such criticism and immediately demand the death - fatwah - of the protester, which tells you all you need to know about an alleged "religion of peace".

                        Islam is a "religion of peace" ONLY when its subjects do exactly what they are told, when they are told, every minute of their lives. It does not tolerate change, criticism, dissension or individuality, and it pathologically hates and oppresses women.

                        What's not to like?
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                          Aside from the neighbors part, that's pretty much how it goes for all religions. Jehovah witness on the other hand, probably ticks all of those boxes.
                          Haven't seen any Jehovah Witnesses engaged in terror attacks, chopping of the heads of non-believers, enslaving women, etc.

                          You obviously didn't read the Islamic scripture and understand Muhammad's command to his followers.

                          Islamic concept of Paradise/Heaven is multiple levels, only way to get any level higher than the lowest is to be a Holy Warrior engaged in Holy War(Jihad).
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                            I thought the speaker made some very good points. Perhaps we could discuss them.
                            The speaker is known for anti Muslim bigotry. What points are you talking about as I did not watch the video?

                            What, because she is black and has an African name...and once was a Muslim she is right..and I am wrong? That is not how it works.

                            Or what is next...you shall link us to some Arab Muslim from an Arab news site who uses the term Jihadist and he is therefore right because he is Arab and a Muslim but Im wrong because Im white and a non Muslim.
                            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                            George S Patton

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                              I have known of A. Hirsi for a good many years and have posted her vids here before. Her points are very valid.

                              -Criticism of Christianity is unlimited in the West, especially in Universities, why should Islam be granted protected status when there is so much to criticize?
                              - Why are reformist muslims not given a platform or supported in the West?
                              - Why does the West fail to defend its own values at every pass?

                              Or... did anyone at all actually watch that one?
                              ... yeah, figures.


                              Islam is no more protected in the USA when compared to Christianity. These universities that ban speakers like A. Hirsi are wrong and they are in the minority.

                              The biggest point is that you talk about the west and you talk about arguments about Islam in the west when in the east Christians and Muslims fight together in the Syrian Arab Army.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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