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  • Skoblin
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    Originally posted by Metryll View Post
    Clinton won the popular vote that is majority of the people.
    If the overall majority of the votes had importance you would have seen an entirely different election campaign take place. Hillary would have been campaigning in urban areas of heavily red states and Trump would have been campaigning in rural areas of heavily blue states - both in an effort to maximize votes - instead of campaigning in a relatively small number of battleground states in an effort to maximize Electoral College votes. In other words, there is no guarantee that if the campaigns were focused strictly on majority of votes that the outcome would be the same as that obtained on November 8.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    And USA is not a democracy that is clear
    That is correct. The United States is a constitutional republic. The president is not directly elected by the people, but by the electoral college. That is the way the system was established by the Founders and written in the Constitution.

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  • Acheron
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    The only thing irrelevant is the popular vote.....
    No, the only thing irrelevant are the non-voters. Those that not vote, despite being capable to, have to expect any result of the vote done by their betters, that is, voters.

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  • Urban hermit
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    We are a Republic , get over it.

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  • Trung Si
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    how is a election of one man one vote mob rule?

    you do know you can win the US election with only 25% of the popular vote Your system is deeply flawed
    My comment wasn't about the election but about more about direct democracy where the majority rules, as in, two Wolves and a Lamb voting what to have for lunch.
    If you are constantly outnumbered chances of ever winning are 0!

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Metryll View Post
    Narrow or not this is always the majority. That part people acted as voters or not is irrelevant. Arguing otherwise would mean that Trump has not been elected indirectely by the people and that this election was in breach of US Constitution.
    You're the one that said the people. It was the voters. This is not in any way irrelevant.

    All voters are people, all the people are not voters.

    The only thing irrelevant is the popular vote......

    The Electoral College did it's job as it always has. No amount of crying from liberals, rioters, and whiny foreigners will change that.

    It's just one more thing that makes my nation the greatest on the planet.
    Last edited by Gixxer86g; 13 Nov 16, 13:14.

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    I am not saying trump broke any laws, I am saying your laws are stupid trump agrees by the way




    Doesn't make any difference. Dems condemn it when they don't like the result, but are quiet the rest of the time too.
    He was elected by the correct operation of our laws. Laws that have led to the successful and peaceful transition of power for more than 200 years.

    You clearly don't understand the role of State sovereignty in how our elections are organized, but since it led to a result you don't like you conclude it doesn't work.
    It worked precisely as intended.

    Since you don't understand the concept of "dual sovereignty" (state and federal), perhaps you aren't in a position to condemn it.

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  • R. Evans
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    Rep incoming!

    Of course, the douche bag thinks differently about the EC now.

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  • andrewza
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    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
    Thank God for that, I wouldn't want to live where the Mob rules.
    how is a election of one man one vote mob rule?

    you do know you can win the US election with only 25% of the popular vote Your system is deeply flawed

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  • andrewza
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
    Ours is a nation of laws, and has been for more than 200 years.
    Can you please identify which law was broken by Trump's election?
    (Your feelings don't count)
    I'll wait.
    I am not saying trump broke any laws, I am saying your laws are stupid trump agrees by the way


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  • Trung Si
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post

    And USA is not a democracy that is clear
    Thank God for that, I wouldn't want to live where the Mob rules.

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  • Metryll
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    And USA is not a democracy that is clear
    It is, in the same way that a PM is elected in a Parliamentary system.

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  • Metryll
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    Incorrect. It was a narrow majority of voters.
    Narrow or not this is always the majority. That part people acted as voters or not is irrelevant. Arguing otherwise would mean that Trump has not been elected indirectely by the people and that this election was in breach of US Constitution.

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    I fully under stand why it works and here is why it is stupid

    Some states the EC don't have to even vote for who the state voters want them to vote for

    in winner take all states the losers votes don't materIn some of those states it basically set up that one side will all ways win meaning a Republican in a blue state may as while just stay home. In fact this notion that the EC means the candidates must care more about the smaller states is all so wrong. Only the swing states mater.

    Not all votes are equal.

    So yes it stupid. The EC is the dumbest method of voting in a leader I have seen in the modern western world.


    It may be the dumbest method of voting, but outside of England it has worked longer than any other form of government in the Western world.

    When any of those other western world governments can boast a track record of more than 200 years of one, stable system for the peaceful transfer of power, I'll listen.

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by andrewza View Post
    I am just quoting trump

    And USA is not a democracy that is clear


    Ours is a nation of laws, and has been for more than 200 years.
    Can you please identify which law was broken by Trump's election?
    (Your feelings don't count)
    I'll wait.

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