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  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    POTUS isn't a popularity contest, it's about effective leadership and preserving the Nation and ConstitutIon; BHO and HRC have both failed in this capacity and deserve no respect or appreciation from me.


    WHAT!

    Why the FRACK should the USA attack "NK" ~ North Korea?!
    You have confirmed your insane trolling here with this one!


    Are you now suggesting that Obama is or should consider attacking North Korea ??? !!!



    I think you under estimate our deployable CV Task Force capability, especially with an isolated and geo-contained threat of mixed hazard.

    Also, this half-baked talk again of attacking "NK" ~ North Korea(?) ???
    You're a real strategist, aren't you ?



    Well, if we're talking about 'shutting up' any running "bigoted mouth", look outside your window and notice that drone engaged in target aquisition ...




    I would ask you to respond to me without using emoticons and caps. And do not go me a troll. I dont even know where to start due to the language you use above. Yes at the very least the US should consider lining up aircraft carriers outside of NK. Kim Jong is a criminal, the right thing for the US to do is to stand up to that criminal Kim Jong.


    Like I said, we need men like Andrew Jackson and FDR back in the USA.Those men would not back down against Kim Jong.

    You can say whatever you want but your candidate has praised Mrs Clinton. I have congratulated Donald Trump...so therefore you should congratulate Mrs Clinton on a hard fought campaign.
    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

    George S Patton

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    • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
      Well yesterday at this hour I just got finished putting in my vote for Clinton..and writing in FDR, Andrew Jackson and a few others on the down ballots. So I grabbed a beer and looked forward to Mrs Clinton winning the election...I knew I did my job by voting for Mrs Clinton. I was honestly stunned to have awoke at a little before 3 am only to see the headlines read "DONALD TRUMP ELECTED PRESIDENT". I told myself when I woke up there was no need to turn on the tv, that it was a formaiiltiy and Mrs Clinton had won...well I was wrong.

      I sit here now, the day after the election.. having a beer..and I am still a bit stunned that Mr Trump is the POTUS. Wow, wow....what more can be said, the Donald is our President and hopefully better days are ahead for America.
      Well, it seemed her fans gave up about 9:30pm

      Fox gave her the axe when each state was unwinnable for her.

      MSNBC threw in the towel more near midnight.

      CNN still hasn't given up according to Wolfe B.

      A fair and square win for Trump... but many Hillary supporters 'protesting' the results. Really?

      You did your job... more did their own for 'The Donald'

      Cheers to your attitude tho .
      SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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      • I will correct this one : "Hillary Clinton is a knight in shining armour " =" Hillary Clinton is a robber knight " .

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        • Originally posted by dgfred View Post
          Well, it seemed her fans gave up about 9:30pm

          Fox gave her the axe when each state was unwinnable for her.

          MSNBC threw in the towel more near midnight.

          CNN still hasn't given up according to Wolfe B.

          A fair and square win for Trump... but many Hillary supporters 'protesting' the results. Really?

          You did your job... more did their own for 'The Donald'

          Cheers to your attitude tho .
          I dont see many Clinton supporters protesting the result, its a minority of Americans(some could be Sanders supporters others anti Trump GOP members) whom are protesting the election.

          Btw we might need to rework(not necessarily abolish) the electoral college due to how once again a candidate has won the popular vote but lost the electoral.

          WASHINGTON -- Despite losing Tuesday’s presidential election, Hillary Clinton appears to be on pace to win the popular vote, an ironic twist in an election in which her opponent repeatedly said the system was rigged against him.

          Just two days before Election Day, Republican businessman Donald Trump tweeted: “The Electoral College is a disaster for a democracy.”



          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-...sing-election/


          Thanks and congrats on Trump winning.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • Well, you can look at a map of the United States and who voted for who.

            The heavily populated northern urban areas and 'west coast' voted mostly majority for Hillary. The rest of the nation voted majority for Trump.

            If the Electoral College is not there... a State like Wyoming doesn't have a fair deal in any National Election. Whomever the big northern cities and west coast wanted President would be a shoe-in.

            Taxation without representation is what started this whole deal.

            Can't tax Wyoming if they don't have a decent representation... can you?
            SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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            • Originally posted by dgfred View Post
              Well, you can look at a map of the United States and who voted for who.

              The heavily populated northern urban areas and 'west coast' voted mostly majority for Hillary. The rest of the nation voted majority for Trump.

              If the Electoral College is not there... a State like Wyoming doesn't have a fair deal in any National Election. Whomever the big northern cities and west coast wanted President would be a shoe-in.

              Taxation without representation is what started this whole deal.

              Can't tax Wyoming if they don't have a decent representation... can you?
              Trump spoke out against the electoral college though.

              If for example we were to abolish the electoral college...Wisconsin voters would still be counted in the popular vote and therefore would have their voice heard unlike how it was in the Thirteen colonies. Wisconsin citizens would still have the chance to run for political office even if the electoral college was abolished.
              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

              George S Patton

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              • Originally posted by dgfred View Post
                Well, you can look at a map of the United States and who voted for who.

                The heavily populated northern urban areas and 'west coast' voted mostly majority for Hillary. The rest of the nation voted majority for Trump.

                If the Electoral College is not there... a State like Wyoming doesn't have a fair deal in any National Election. Whomever the big northern cities and west coast wanted President would be a shoe-in.

                Taxation without representation is what started this whole deal.

                Can't tax Wyoming if they don't have a decent representation... can you?
                Can't rep you, too soon, if we went with a popular election we would have Mob Rule over all of us by a few northeastern and a couple of western States, a lot of ignorant people fail to understand that!
                Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                  Trump spoke out against the electoral college though.

                  If for example we were to abolish the electoral college...Wisconsin voters would still be counted in the popular vote and therefore would have their voice heard unlike how it was in the Thirteen colonies. Wisconsin citizens would still have the chance to run for political office even if the electoral college was abolished.
                  And it's stuff like that that makes me wonder if you're actually in the US. Wisconsin and Wyoming, aside from both being cold in the winter and cows, have practically nothing in common. Wyoming is one of those '3 vote states' that has a voice only because the US was set up in such a way as to ensure that everyone had a voice. Wyoming's entire population would be swallowed up in the bowels of an LA Suburb. Were things in the US to be decided by popular vote only, Wyoming wouldn't even offset one California city. Thousands of square miles of it's own ecosystem and climate and unique issues, held to whatever standards the squalor of urban sprawl wanted it to be held to.
                  Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                  • If you're a Republican in a heavily Democratic state (or vice versa) you are less motivated to vote because you know who is going to win your state. So popular vote may not be a true reflection of a candidates support.

                    In the battleground states where the candidates did most (if not all) of their campaigning and advertising Trump outdid Hillary by 700,000 votes. Remember that big concert (Cleveland, OH) for Hillary by Beyoncé and Jay Z? Trump won Ohio by 455,000 votes.
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                    • Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                      If you're a Republican in a heavily Democratic state (or vice versa) you are less motivated to vote because you know who is going to win your state. So popular vote may not be a true reflection of a candidates support.

                      In the battleground states where the candidates did most (if not all) of their campaigning and advertising Trump outdid Hillary by 700,000 votes. Remember that big concert (Cleveland, OH) for Hillary by Beyoncé and Jay Z? Trump won Ohio by 455,000 votes.

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                      • Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                        If you're a Republican in a heavily Democratic state (or vice versa) you are less motivated to vote because you know who is going to win your state. So popular vote may not be a true reflection of a candidates support.

                        In the battleground states where the candidates did most (if not all) of their campaigning and advertising Trump outdid Hillary by 700,000 votes. Remember that big concert (Cleveland, OH) for Hillary by Beyoncé and Jay Z? Trump won Ohio by 455,000 votes.
                        Clinton won more voters.

                        Trump won the right voters.

                        If anything, his victory in the Electoral College is a check for him by demonstrating he (or more likely his people) were more than capable of understanding political reality and knew where to focus their efforts.

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                        • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                          Are you suggesting Teddy Roosevelt was a criminal due to the fact that Roosevelt was a progressive.
                          So? Doesn't change that the Progressive-Left has done as I stated. Also I never said what the Progressive-Left has done was "criminal" on an individual basis, although in many cases it was.
                          As for Roosevelt. His diplomacy in Asia gave rise to Japanese Imperialism and eventually led to WW 2. He would have gladly imposed some form of Obamacare / Socialized medicine on the US but couldn't get it through Congress or funded.

                          Thats impossible that Progressive Americans are responsible for what you claim .. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive so your views on how intolerant Progressive are, are incorrect. Likewise one could say democracy has killed millions but it would be incorrect. I find what your saying above is the same as what anti war protesters during Vietnam would say...your taking out your criticisms on the wrong people. It seems you have a very negative view of the term progressive...something sights like breitbart.com agree with. On the other side, as a Democrat...I do not go around saying things like conservatism has murdered millions...the reason is because its clearly not right and serves no purpose other then division. People should not say things like the right does this, the left does that, progressives are the enemy, conservatives are the enemy, liberals are the enemy because it would not be accurate.
                          Where did I mention "Progressive Americans?" I said Progressives. I meant that in general. Roosevelt was very racist. Not uncommon for his time. In Asia he gave Japan a Green light to conquer Korea, and they later continued to expand into China. Yep, that's right... He let Japan become an imperial power.

                          But, Progressivism in general? Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Guevara... I could list more... They've killed well over a hundred million in totality. Pol Pot alone killed more Cambodians than the collective deaths that occurred during the totality of the Vietnam War.
                          Suffering? How many hundreds of millions suffered from the economic deprivation and stagnation that Socialism and Communism have wrought on societies.

                          Even in the US Progressive ideas have been destructive. LBJ's "Great Society?" That pretty much tanked with the Watts riots. Today all that's left are economically crippled cities and crumbling ruins of public housing. Oh, he was also responsible for the lie that got us into Vietnam...
                          Carter brought in the Departments of Energy and Education. Since then energy prices have risen markedly and the quality of public education in America has tanked. His failed foreign policies led directly to the rise of radical Islam in the Middle East, starting with the fall of the Shah. His Progressive view was the Shah was an evil monarch conducting an Imperial rule and that the Ayatollah would restore a more democratic rule to Iran... That worked out so well...
                          Wilson pretty much botched WW 1 and his Progressivism postwar was an unmitigated failure. In many ways, Wilson's reluctance to get involved in the war led to the onerous Treaty of Versailles because the French and British felt he had no real place at the table being a late comer to the war. The League of Nations was a fail too.
                          So, even in America, Progressivism hasn't lead to any great advance in the human condition. Instead, it too has created more misery and poverty than the Social Justice it proclaims to want.

                          I think there's a very strong argument Progressivism as a political idea is a failure of enormous proportion. History bears that out.

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                          • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                            Race and sex should not absolve you of the adult responsibility to be self critical.

                            It is no coincidence that post modernism is the preferred philosophy of many activists. If you don't have evidence and reason on your side then adopting a philosophy we're nothing can be falsified is a cynical but effective strategy.

                            Nobody wants to be labeled as immoral. When you set up a system where group identity trumps individual character it becomes impossible for any individual to defend themselves against charges of sexism or racism.

                            If you vote for someone because of their race or sex that is racist and sexist. No amount of oppression resolves you of the responsibility to offer rational arguments to support your positions and actions.
                            Interesting. Couldn't it also be said that engaging in a system that is generally recognized as being unethical and immoral by design essentially makes one a hypocrite when one claims they're ethical and moral by nature /perspective and thus makes their 'side' more 'right'? The argument itself seems dubious.

                            Also, when "you" setup a system where 'individual character / cult of personality' trumps (hehehe) individual responsibility you get the same. Everyone can claim that "That Guy" made me do it instead of "That Group".

                            You mean 'absolves you of the responsibility', right?

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                            • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                              And it's stuff like that that makes me wonder if you're actually in the US.
                              I dont give a damn...its you who apparently is unaware that many Americans including Trump have argued against the electoral college. Btw I said I would consider abolishing the electoral college, its not like I was 100% in favor of abolishing or even reworking the electoral college.

                              Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                              Wisconsin and Wyoming, aside from both being cold in the winter and cows, have practically nothing in common. Wyoming is one of those '3 vote states' that has a voice only because the US was set up in such a way as to ensure that everyone had a voice. Wyoming's entire population would be swallowed up in the bowels of an LA Suburb. Were things in the US to be decided by popular vote only, Wyoming wouldn't even offset one California city. Thousands of square miles of it's own ecosystem and climate and unique issues, held to whatever standards the squalor of urban sprawl wanted it to be held to.
                              Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 10 Nov 16, 16:05.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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                              • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                                So? Doesn't change that the Progressive-Left has done as I stated. Also I never said what the Progressive-Left has done was "criminal" on an individual basis, although in many cases it was.
                                As for Roosevelt. His diplomacy in Asia gave rise to Japanese Imperialism and eventually led to WW 2. He would have gladly imposed some form of Obamacare / Socialized medicine on the US but couldn't get it through Congress or funded.



                                Where did I mention "Progressive Americans?" I said Progressives. I meant that in general. Roosevelt was very racist. Not uncommon for his time. In Asia he gave Japan a Green light to conquer Korea, and they later continued to expand into China. Yep, that's right... He let Japan become an imperial power.

                                But, Progressivism in general? Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Guevara... I could list more... They've killed well over a hundred million in totality. Pol Pot alone killed more Cambodians than the collective deaths that occurred during the totality of the Vietnam War.
                                Suffering? How many hundreds of millions suffered from the economic deprivation and stagnation that Socialism and Communism have wrought on societies.

                                Even in the US Progressive ideas have been destructive. LBJ's "Great Society?" That pretty much tanked with the Watts riots. Today all that's left are economically crippled cities and crumbling ruins of public housing. Oh, he was also responsible for the lie that got us into Vietnam...
                                Carter brought in the Departments of Energy and Education. Since then energy prices have risen markedly and the quality of public education in America has tanked. His failed foreign policies led directly to the rise of radical Islam in the Middle East, starting with the fall of the Shah. His Progressive view was the Shah was an evil monarch conducting an Imperial rule and that the Ayatollah would restore a more democratic rule to Iran... That worked out so well...
                                Wilson pretty much botched WW 1 and his Progressivism postwar was an unmitigated failure. In many ways, Wilson's reluctance to get involved in the war led to the onerous Treaty of Versailles because the French and British felt he had no real place at the table being a late comer to the war. The League of Nations was a fail too.
                                So, even in America, Progressivism hasn't lead to any great advance in the human condition. Instead, it too has created more misery and poverty than the Social Justice it proclaims to want.

                                I think there's a very strong argument Progressivism as a political idea is a failure of enormous proportion. History bears that out.
                                Well that is the first time I have heard someone call Teddy Roosevelt a racist...I dont see T Roosevelt as a bigot or so called racist.Tag when you suggest Roosevelt to have been a racist it reminds me of what some BLM members have said about some of the great Americans of history.

                                I see Teddy Roosevelt as an honorable American, we could use a leader like TR in todays world. The Empire of Japan sought to expand its domain...in fact the EOJ learned much of its way from Britain and the USA. China btw....has a history of being involved in warfare so if your trying to be critical of the EOJ...well critiques ought be brought against both Nationalist and Communist China.

                                Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Guevara were communists. Stalin was crucial in the fight against the Third Reich. Regardless of your views on Stalin..the facts are that the USSR and USA were allies during WW2, FDR did work with Stalin. Of course Stalin was not an American or a progressive, Stalin was a Georgian Communist. Mao Zedong meant with Richard Nixon...I'm not going to be overtly critical of Zedong...I respect China and honestly while I'm not a Communist I certainly would work with Communists just as FDR and America did during WW2. I'm not a Pol Pot fan. I do admire Cuba, as you know TAG the USA and Cuba have recently come closer together. I'm not a fan of Che or Castro but at the same time I dont hate these guys. In fact I cant wait to fly to Cuba...round trip flights are a mere 300$. We could work with Cuba, Cuba is nowadays mostly Christian...its not some sort of North Korean type of Communist state. The Cubans are good people. Of course the important point is that American progressives are not responsible for the deaths of millions, Pol Pot is not an American progressive, Pol Pot was a Cambodian Communist. Progressive politics are not the problem but perhaps some Progressives over history have been involved in shady dealings..same can be said for some GOP members and some Democrats.


                                I disagree with your views on Woodrow Wilson btw. Wilson was for a period of time an Isolationist...but of course that changed. Of course the GOP candidate for the 1940 POTUS election was also an Isolationist...So just because a past American was at one point in his or her life an Isolationist...does not make them a bad guy. The League of nations was far from a failure...it was based on past European treaties such as the Peace of Westphalia and the LON led to the creation of the United Nations. Of course the UN is also comparable to the Peace of Westphalia

                                Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924), the 28th U.S. president, served in office from 1913 to 1921 and led America through World War I (1914-1918). An advocate for democracy and world peace, Wilson is often ranked by historians as one of the nation’s greatest presidents. Wilson was a college professor, university president and Democratic governor of New Jersey before winning the White House in 1912. Once in office, he pursued an ambitious agenda of progressive reform that included the establishment of the Federal Reserve and Federal Trade Commission. Wilson tried to keep the United States neutral during World War I but ultimately called on Congress to declare war on Germany in 1917. After the war, he helped negotiate a peace treaty that included a plan for the League of Nations. Although the Senate rejected U.S. membership in the League, Wilson received the Nobel Prize for his peacemaking efforts.


                                http://www.history.com/topics/us-pre...woodrow-wilson
                                Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 10 Nov 16, 16:02.
                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                                George S Patton

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