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  • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    And yet your side always labels them the same way.
    The same accusations that have no foundation in the truth, are based on deliberately twisted 'quotes' and re-interpretations of.... DAMN, have you even read your own post?

    That is a freaking pretzel of illogic and flat-out pandering to base stupidity. "in the eyes of many" WHO?
    "I don't know" NO KIDDING!
    "such a perception" No, perception is NOT reality.
    One thing is one thing, the other is something else entirely.

    However, such a display of masturbatory language and in-the-bubble views deserves special recognition.
    And here is your award-



    Enjoy!
    More simply put. Trump made comments that pissed off a lot of minorities and they're going to react accordingly. Better?
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
      Trump is more gracious, and public, than I am. I consider her campaign divisive and dishonest.

      As for insults, review your posts, you receive quid-pro-quo. Consider the case of waddles like a duck , quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, must be a ...
      Please I sincerely ask you to not call me an "Islamist", Im not a Muslim so I cant even be an Islamist. Let us move on from this point.


      It would be the appropriate thing for you to congratulate Mrs Clinton on a hard fought campaign because I...a Clinton supporter....did congratulate Mr Trump on becoming our next POTUS. You dont have to congratulate Mrs Clinton but it would be nice if you did. America can become greater...but Americans must unite for this to occur.
      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

      George S Patton

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      • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        More simply put. Trump made comments that pissed off a lot of minorities and they're going to react accordingly. Better?
        Except that we did not.

        Trump gathered far more minority votes than anyone expected.

        Typical: a white guy deciding how non-whites feel. There is a name for that sort of thinking....
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          Your depth of cluelessness never cease to amaze me. Since we're being anecdotal here, my experience has been that the most bigoted and racist people tend to be liberals and democrats, far more often than conservatives, and the franchise isn't exclusive to whites only. Hillary displayed a lot of bigotry and prejudice in her comments, both public and via the wiki-leaks.
          Yes I'm sure many people voted for Trump because Hillary is a bigot. Meanwhile Trump supporters are happy because according to them they can use the n-word freely now.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
            Wait a second. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive. There is nothing wrong with progressive.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progre...d_States,_1912)
            Progressivism of the Left has in the last say, 200 or so years been the single most destructive and deadly force and cause on the planet. It has exceeded war as a cause of dead bodies stacking up. And, you say nothing is wrong with a political cause / ideal / dogma that has caused more death, misery, poverty, and suffering than war? Ooookkkaaayyy...

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            • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
              Yes I'm sure many people voted for Trump because Hillary is a bigot. Meanwhile Trump supporters are happy because according to them they can use the n-word freely now.
              You keep digging that hole deeper.

              Most people voted for Trump because his plans and agenda make better sense for the nation and economic recovery and his track record in wealth creation and business is better than Hillary's.

              Not sure where you get this loopy idea on the n-word, but it is typical lefty loonie faulty thinking, so no surprise there.
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
              Present Current Events are the Future's History

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              • Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                Not only the public but the stock market, bookmakers and media experts around the world were all equally suckered by the pollster predictions.

                It is everyone's fault but the poor innocent, misunderstood pollster who rightly predicted a thumping EC win for Trump all the way through and justified all the time and money they burned in their call on a two horse race.
                And which pollsters were misleading the public before the election? Not through what someone thinks they meant, not using data from six months ago to refute a result from yesterday, not which poll was used the most egregiously by a third party: which polls were explicitly claiming there would be an EC victory for Trump (or even Clinton) in the days before the election?

                If it is so clear and egregious, then it should be easy to post some examples of polling fraud and deliberately misleading figures by the pollsters themselves.

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                • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                  You keep digging that hole deeper.

                  Most people voted for Trump because his plans and agenda make better sense for the nation and economic recovery and his track record in wealth creation and business is better than Hillary's.

                  Not sure where you get this loopy idea on the n-word, but it is typical lefty loonie faulty thinking, so no surprise there.
                  I'm not just making **** up, these are things I'm seeing from Trump supporters. Again, the only core issue I have with Trump, aside from not trusting him to adhere to conservative values, is how much he's going to divide the country by race and religion. We could have had better economic values than Hillary out of any other Republican candidate, minus the severe division, but instead the party went with both.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                    I'm not just making **** up, these are things I'm seeing from Trump supporters. Again, the only core issue I have with Trump, aside from not trusting him to adhere to conservative values, is how much he's going to divide the country by race and religion. We could have had better economic values than Hillary out of any other Republican candidate, minus the severe division, but instead the party went with both.
                    My dogs in the fight were Carson and then Cruz, but the party chose to go elsewhere and since the GOP is more inclusive than the socialist DNP, I saw little choice.

                    Not only was Hillary not qualified for the Office, but her non-performance in State, the screw-up with security of private servers and her attitude towards Benghazi deaths further sunk her in my standards.

                    Insult to injury was how her campaign looked too much like an end-run to circumvent the XXII Amendment, and get Bill back into the WH.

                    Americans Humiliated Barack Obama With The Election Results
                    EXCERPTS:
                    Americans Humiliated Barack Obama With The Election Results

                    Hillary Clinton wasn’t the only loser last night.

                    There was one other Democrat who came out of election night embarrassed by the American people.

                    Barack Obama was dealt a stinging rebuke by the voters, and he never even saw it coming.
                    ...
                    Obama did not take Trump’s victory well.

                    He saw it as a direct rejection from the American people to his brand of race-baiting, identity politics.

                    Politico reports:

                    “President Barack Obama and his aides throughout the federal government have 10 weeks to nail anything and everything they can down, a crisis in management they’ll need to handle amid a crisis in politics, faith, the economy and the world order.

                    But they’ve already lost the chance to lock in Obama’s vision of America, one that is educated and pragmatist, multicultural, cosmopolitan and globalist.

                    Obama said for months on the campaign trail that he’d consider Donald Trump’s election a personal repudiation. And it was. The Senate and House results leave no question, as if there could be one.

                    A reality has slipped through their fingers. Four more years of a Democrat in the White House would make much of how Obama reshaped the government irreversible. A woman following a black man would drive home how there was no turning back to the old ways. Filling that Supreme Court seat would cement it for a generation.

                    Tuesday’s stunner is about Hillary Clinton’s shortcomings, and in retrospect, about the absurd clearing of the Democratic field for a candidate deeply flawed. But it is more about the reality of a country that not even many of Trump’s aides and supporters appeared to fully grasp.”

                    At the end of the day, Obama made the election all about him.

                    And just like when he tried this tactic in the 2014 midterms, the American people spoke clearly.
                    ...
                    http://www.americanpatriotdaily.com/...ction-results/
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                    Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                    • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                      And which pollsters were misleading the public before the election? Not through what someone thinks they meant, not using data from six months ago to refute a result from yesterday, not which poll was used the most egregiously by a third party: which polls were explicitly claiming there would be an EC victory for Trump (or even Clinton) in the days before the election?

                      If it is so clear and egregious, then it should be easy to post some examples of polling fraud and deliberately misleading figures by the pollsters themselves.
                      Sure, I could write an evidence based critique for you, or you could just read the newspapers, where the obituary of the pollster is being written.

                      Look, you are obviously an aficionado and perhaps even work in the industry, understanding it better than most. If you are content the pollster had a great election and enhanced their reputation with the consumers of their data, I do not wish to disabuse you.

                      We have some equally contentious elections coming up in Europe and perhaps we can pick this up again then. I think you will find the consumers of poll data regarding the pollster with great sceptisicsm and they have a hard job winning back credibility.
                      Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                      • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Barack Hussein Obama was a great man. Trump looked proud when he gave his acceptance speech...well Obama was also proud when he gave his acceptance speech. Nobody can ever take away Obama's years in office. No matter what anti Americans say...Barack Obama was and still is loved by millions of Americans. Instead of insulting Obama and Clinton you should praise them...now that Trump has won its time to be nice to the other side.
                        POTUS isn't a popularity contest, it's about effective leadership and preserving the Nation and ConstitutIon; BHO and HRC have both failed in this capacity and deserve no respect or appreciation from me.

                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Donald John Trump has some work to do, so only time will tell how great of a POTUS Trump will be. What Trump should consider doing is invading North Korea...
                        WHAT!

                        Why the FRACK should the USA attack "NK" ~ North Korea?!
                        You have confirmed your insane trolling here with this one!

                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Trump talks alot...but can he walk the walk like Obama did?
                        Are you now suggesting that Obama is or should consider attacking North Korea ??? !!!

                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Trump says hes going to do things we have not seen before...well I hope that Trump either invades NK or sets up a few aircraft carriers right by NK waters.
                        I think you under estimate our deployable CV Task Force capability, especially with an isolated and geo-contained threat of mixed hazard.

                        Also, this half-baked talk again of attacking "NK" ~ North Korea(?) ???
                        You're a real strategist, aren't you ?

                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Arent you tired of Kim Jong running his bigoted mouth...its time for someone to shut up Kim Jong.
                        Well, if we're talking about 'shutting up' any running "bigoted mouth", look outside your window and notice that drone engaged in target aquisition ...




                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                        Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                        • Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                          Sure, I could write an evidence based critique for you, or you could just read the newspapers, where the obituary of the pollster is being written.

                          Look, you are obviously an aficionado and perhaps even work in the industry, understanding it better than most. If you are content the pollster had a great election and enhanced their reputation with the consumers of their data, I do not wish to disabuse you.

                          We have some equally contentious elections coming up in Europe and perhaps we can pick this up again then. I think you will find the consumers of poll data regarding the pollster with great sceptisicsm and they have a hard job winning back credibility.
                          Their credibility is being attacked due to a misrepresentation and misunderstanding of what they've said, which is simple enough to understand. Again, the data backs up everything I've said fully.

                          The polls on the general election suggested there was a slight - very slight - lead for Clinton, but which was still so close that even the Associated Press would have still called a tie. And the end result was exactly that: Clinton ended up with a slight lead in the popular vote.

                          What you've seen with polls - and this is not limited to this election - is journalists and talking heads taking polling data and abusing it. They use it as convenient short hand and imbue it with mystical powers of prognostication.

                          It is no different than some rabid environmentalist taking a published article documenting a five year rise in average global temperatures and then declaring that it was proof of man-made global warming, when the article said no such thing.

                          Now, those same lazy journalists, misleading politicos and ignorant publics are trying to blame the polls for "lying" to them rather than accepting the bigger truth: these polls never said what they wanted them to say, but they didn't care until they were shown to be wrong.

                          Look at all the shocked Hollywood liberals whining about how this was impossible and they couldn't believe how badly the polls were wrong - the same late-night hosts who had been laughing at Trump's chances because national polls showed Clinton with what they claimed was a lead.

                          After weeks and months of misusing the polls to draw unsupported conclusions, now they're shocked when the results don't match up with their assumptions.

                          And what's more insulting is that most of those polls they abused in the first place were proven correct. Clinton did win the popular vote by a slim margin. But they made the fundamental mistake of making assumptions unsupported by the data, and now they're looking to blame someone else - so why not go after that scientist and his published article on temperature change, rather than accepting that maybe we shouldn't have twisted the words of others to fit our narrative.

                          Again, pollsters are certainly getting hammered in the public mind, but it is because of public ignorance over what those polls actually said, what polls truly represent, and because for months (and years) the whole science behind polling has been abused egregiously by any journalist or politician wanting to make a quick point and sound knowledgeable.

                          That the public are manipulated so easily is no surprise, but more informed people should attempt to dig into it a bit more. It is clear that in most polls (barring the three mentioned previously) the major polling firms were right on the nose with their data. One has to ask how someone can do their work correctly, be proven right by every objective measurement, and still be criticisized for doing a bad job.

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                          • They did their work correctly ?

                            7 november : WMUR/UNH : NH : Clinton 49 / Trump 38

                            Result : Clinton : 47.5 /Trump 47.3

                            4 november : Loras : Wisconsin :Clinton 44 / Trump 38

                            Result : Clinton :46.9 / Trump : 47.9

                            4 november : Gravis : Utah : Trump : 35 /Clinton :29

                            Result : Clinton : 46.8 / Clinton : 27.8

                            All these pollsters are incapables and deplorables .

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                            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Progressivism of the Left has in the last say, 200 or so years been the single most destructive and deadly force and cause on the planet. It has exceeded war as a cause of dead bodies stacking up. And, you say nothing is wrong with a political cause / ideal / dogma that has caused more death, misery, poverty, and suffering than war? Ooookkkaaayyy...
                              Are you suggesting Teddy Roosevelt was a criminal due to the fact that Roosevelt was a progressive.

                              Thats impossible that Progressive Americans are responsible for what you claim .. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive so your views on how intolerant Progressive are, are incorrect. Likewise one could say democracy has killed millions but it would be incorrect. I find what your saying above is the same as what anti war protesters during Vietnam would say...your taking out your criticisms on the wrong people. It seems you have a very negative view of the term progressive...something sights like breitbart.com agree with. On the other side, as a Democrat...I do not go around saying things like conservatism has murdered millions...the reason is because its clearly not right and serves no purpose other then division. People should not say things like the right does this, the left does that, progressives are the enemy, conservatives are the enemy, liberals are the enemy because it would not be accurate.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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                              • In addition TAG...Woodrow Wilson was a progressive.





                                Progressives are no worse or no better then democrats and republicans. Its unacceptable to have such a harsh criticism of Progressives when Progressives were among the greatest Americans of the 20th century. Progressives played a role in bringing justice and happiness to many Americans who would have other-wised lived in poverty. Woodrow Wilson argued for better wages...he is your kind of guy TAG. Today we see that many Americans are living in poverty, much of their paycheck is taken away by the gov, these Americans can not afford a house... they must live in an apartment, they cant afford to start a family..We need men like Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt and Henry Ford in America today. During Woodrow Wilson's Presidency, America witnessed the rise of the middle class...this was around the time when Henry Ford was bringing great jobs to many Americans...black and white Americans that is.


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                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                                George S Patton

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