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  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    As usual, the Left are sore losers and likely not willing to unify, what's new?
    Having just watched Clinton and Obama's speeches, I can't help admiring their grace and dignity in defeat, in possibly marked contrast to how Trump would have behaved if he'd lost.

    But I'd agree with them- got to put this behind us and move on together (somehow).
    Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
    (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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    • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      Still, there are white supremacist and Alex Jones who are vehemently behind Trump. Those aren't teammates I can have and feel good about myself. Those are groups of people that want a divided nation.
      He received 59,418,100 votes so far......do you think it was only white supremacist voted for him?
      "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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      • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
        Having just watched Clinton and Obama's speeches, I can't help admiring their grace and dignity in defeat, in possibly marked contrast to how Trump would have behaved if he'd lost.
        Dignity in defeat would have been her making that speech after she conceded the election to Trump, not waiting 8 hours to deliver it.

        It wasn't "possibly marked contrast to how Trump"

        Trump won, you sound like the MSM trying to blame Trump for something that he didn't do.
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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        • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
          Not at all. They did NO state projections and they projected him winning the national popular vote by 3 points. They were off more than many of the others.
          Maybe, but they also predicted a Trump victory. And perhaps the fact that it wasn't done state by state is more representative of the general population where the granularity can be weighted differently. How accurate does polling have to be anyways? It's clear that different influences can change polling and the simple fact that expectations alone can cause changes in the numbers can make numeric accuracy difficult.

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          • Originally posted by boomer400 View Post
            Maybe, but they also predicted a Trump victory. And perhaps the fact that it wasn't done state by state is more representative of the general population where the granularity can be weighted differently. How accurate does polling have to be anyways? It's clear that different influences can change polling and the simple fact that expectations alone can cause changes in the numbers can make numeric accuracy difficult.
            No they did no such thing. They predicted his National Popular vote score, that's it.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              He received 59,418,100 votes so far......do you think it was only white supremacist voted for him?
              With out counting you? What percentage are the so called angry whites?
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                There were "non-white" supremacists and racists backing Clinton and your socialist scum like Van Jones whining about how their wealth redistribution schemes will now unravel. And we have the college snowflakes rioting in their usual spoiled manner. As usual, the Left are sore losers and likely not willing to unify, what's new?
                I don't really think Clinton gives a damn about poor minorities though. Plus, her policies and language don't align with minority hate groups in the way Trump's align with white supremacist.

                The right didn't unify under Obama either. Instead they were depicting him as an animal and demanding their country back. There's no difference between the two parties in that regard. It was nasty then and will be nasty now.

                Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                He received 59,418,100 votes so far......do you think it was only white supremacist voted for him?
                This is a ridiculous question.
                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                - Benjamin Franklin

                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                  Dignity in defeat would have been her making that speech after she conceded the election to Trump, not waiting 8 hours to deliver it.

                  It wasn't "possibly marked contrast to how Trump"

                  Trump won, you sound like the MSM trying to blame Trump for something that he didn't do.
                  You need a nights sleep! Do you have a time table for when speeches are to be made?

                  Trump won, except it, get over it and go back to normal, which during this election I think you have forgotten what that is.
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                    No they did no such thing. They predicted his National Popular vote score, that's it.
                    Ok, so they predicted his greater popularity. Is it any wonder that translated into a victory? I understand it's bitter thing to have to accept polling failures along with the election failure. But at some point, we have to see polling failures as more than just aberrations. What's the takeaway from the scenario, though? Blame the polls? There's some larger things going on.

                    EDIT : I should amend this to say : greater vote getting. The popularity part is quite debatable.
                    Last edited by boomer400; 09 Nov 16, 13:10.

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                    • Originally posted by boomer400 View Post
                      Ok, so they predicted his greater popularity. Is it any wonder that translated into a victory? I understand it's bitter thing to have to accept polling failures along with the election failure. But at some point, we have to see polling failures as more than just aberrations. What's the takeaway from the scenario, though? Blame the polls? There's some larger things going on.

                      EDIT : I should amend this to say : greater vote getting. The popularity part is quite debatable.
                      The only polling failings were in the Rust Belt states of MI, WI, and PA. The rest were pretty much 100%. So 48 of 51. not bad.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                        These nuances aren't going to carry any weight with the public who were the intended audience of the polls. If you are going to come out and make a call in a two horse race and get it wrong after months of sampling and telling everyone it was going one way, your credibility is going to suffer, and rightly so. Right now the pollster looks like a shaman throwing bones up in the air and making a call based on how they land, or maybe reading sheeps entrails.
                        What the people think is irrelevant to the accuracy of the actual data. The "public" can be ignorant and superstitious, but it's their own fault for not actually understanding a figure before giving it credibility and misunderstanding what is actually being said.

                        The pollsters were, for the most part, right on the money when it comes to the national (aka popular) vote. Trying to accuse them of witchcraft for being wrong on something they didn't say is ludicrous - doubly so when their claims are accurate when you pay attention to what they actually did say.

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                        • Well another interesting fact to come out of this election is that at the age of 70, Trump is the oldest man to be elected to his first term as POTUS.


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                          • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                            The only polling failings were in the Rust Belt states of MI, WI, and PA. The rest were pretty much 100%. So 48 of 51. not bad.
                            This.

                            If a pollster says "we are 95% confident that the popular vote will be between Trump +2 and Hillary +3", one cannot then angrily denounce them for being wrong when their statement is proven absolutely correct.

                            The failures were in those key states that were the real surprises of the election, but in the national figures and in 95% of the states they were objectively correct.

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                            • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                              Dignity in defeat would have been her making that speech after she conceded the election to Trump, not waiting 8 hours to deliver it.

                              It wasn't "possibly marked contrast to how Trump"

                              Trump won, you sound like the MSM trying to blame Trump for something that he didn't do.
                              You need to talk to the pro Trump folks who are insulting Clinton and the "left" like G David Bock.. General staffs message was a unifying message.
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                              • Originally posted by boomer400 View Post
                                Ok, so they predicted his greater popularity. Is it any wonder that translated into a victory? I understand it's bitter thing to have to accept polling failures along with the election failure. But at some point, we have to see polling failures as more than just aberrations. What's the takeaway from the scenario, though? Blame the polls? There's some larger things going on.

                                EDIT : I should amend this to say : greater vote getting. The popularity part is quite debatable.
                                Polls can be misleading. Whether its polls that claim Muslims support Sharia law over US law...or polls suggesting 25% of British folks believe the US moon landing was faked.
                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
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